The thread.

Please keep it 100-percent LDS-free and FLG-free. Otherwise, discuss what you’d like. Everything related to the financial crisis and China’s stimulus package should go in the thread immediately below. Thanks.

Potential topics:
Shouldn’t every family have at least one gun?
The pope praises Ma for working with China (blocked in the PRC)
China’s “human flesh search engines” get global attention

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Richard Burger is the author of Behind the Red Door: Sex in China, an exploration of China's sexual revolution and its clash with traditional Chinese values.

The Discussion: 114 Comments

John, ok, how about we do the same to Chinese living overseas on some pretext? How would you like that, huh? An eye for an eye and all that.

November 15, 2008 @ 7:39 pm | Comment

Chinese don’t go round running riot in the west

Probably because they’re not treated like second-class citizens. Perhaps we should treat Chinese like shit too, wait for just a number to get rowdy and then punish all of them.

Tibetans on the other hand are trouble making, backward losers who should be left alone

Except that they’re not left alone – Han Chinese tell them how to live their lives.

And I’m not sure how the actions of a few should lead to extermination of all of them. If Chinese start to get a bit troublesome here should we kill all of them?

November 15, 2008 @ 7:58 pm | Comment

Adios Mongol Warrior…

November 15, 2008 @ 8:26 pm | Comment

This is so beautifully said, and it’s exactly what I meant when I said that anything that man can envision can become true. Kudos to Gibson, a true visionary of this world…

“The Future of Science Fiction? We’re living in it. Those “Future History” charts in the back of every Robert A Heinlein paperback, when I was about 14, had the early 21st century tagged as the “Crazy Years”. He had an American theocratic dictatorship happening about then. I hope we miss that one. Otherwise, I’m assuming these are those years.”

“The single most useful thing I’ve learned from science fiction is that every present moment, always, is someone else’s past and someone else’s future.”

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20026821.600-scifi-special-william-gibson.html

November 15, 2008 @ 8:39 pm | Comment

“Perhaps we should treat Chinese like shit too, wait for just a number to get rowdy and then punish all of them.”

Maybe you can tell that to the indians.

Raj, get on the program. Your prime minister is on his knees begging for China’s money.

November 15, 2008 @ 11:34 pm | Comment

Maybe you can tell that to the indians.

If you’re talking about Indians from India, they have their own country. If you’re talking about Native Americans, that’s for the Americans to deal with. But at least they can vote, express themselves in whatever way they want, etc, which is more than Tibetans.

Raj, get on the program. Your prime minister is on his knees begging for China’s money.

No, he’s begging the world to come up with an international solution that can prolong his political life. But hopefully he will be evicted at the next election so we won’t have to worry about him anymore.

November 16, 2008 @ 4:21 am | Comment

Seeding for the mass…

“Still, most nations, including the United States, have acknowledged that a new world order has emerged and that the developing world should have a larger say in international organizations.”

http://mobile.washingtonpost.com/detail.jsp?key=316209&rc=po&p=1&all=1

November 16, 2008 @ 4:50 am | Comment

But at least they can vote, express themselves in whatever way they want, etc, which is more than Tibetans.

Raj – that’s one dumb comment – they get the vote after being made about one percent of the population and herded into reservations all their land stripped from them.

Same can apply to Australian aborigines, Canadian Innuit, Alaskan Eskimos, and New Zealand Maori.

I can say at least the Tibetans are still 80% of the population in Tibet, still speak Tibetan, still follow Tibetan traditions – unlike Native Americans.
They have Tibetan print media, dual track Tibetan-Mandarin schooling, affirmative action to get into universities.

November 16, 2008 @ 4:53 am | Comment

Woooo, people are now speaking about Bretton Wood II, Sheee, Shee, go away Oab, go away… Now let’s talk about tibet and Taiwan or what palin will wear tomorrow…

You damn “crazies”, let us sleep in peace.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/14/business/summit.php

November 16, 2008 @ 6:13 am | Comment

“It feels like we’re waiting for the new king to arrive,” said Johnson of MIT.”

This is very powerful to say the least…

November 16, 2008 @ 6:23 am | Comment

“Perhaps we should treat Chinese like shit too, wait for just a number to get rowdy and then punish all of them.”

Raj,

Tell that to your indian brothers who to this day still worship the union jack like god, China dont give a shit to Britain

November 16, 2008 @ 1:40 pm | Comment

Henry

they get the vote after being made about one percent of the population and herded into reservations all their land stripped from them

Which is why I said it’s the problem of the Americans, not mine.

I can say at least the Tibetans are still 80% of the population in Tibet, still speak Tibetan, still follow Tibetan traditions – unlike Native Americans. They have Tibetan print media, dual track Tibetan-Mandarin schooling, affirmative action to get into universities.

You neglect to mention that their leader is not Tibetan (and I’m NOT talking about the Dalai Lama), non-Tibetan migrants contine to enter Tibet and settle there and Tibetan concerns that they’ll become a minority are ignored, Tibetans cannot practice religion/culture as they see fit, have NO free speech, etc. What’s the point of having dual-print media if they can’t print what they want? Similarly what’s the point of having Tibetan taught in some schools if the curriculum is set by the Chinese?

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Treesiter

Tell that to your indian brothers who to this day still worship the union jack like god

I’m not Indian (why are you so obsessed about that?) and I can’t help it if some Indians see good things about the Empire. Does it annoy you that British Imperialism is sometimes remembered fondly, whereas Chinese Imperialism never/rarely is?

China dont give a shit to Britain

Obviously not, otherwise you would have bothered to learn English grammar.

November 16, 2008 @ 5:51 pm | Comment

Raj, our new friend “Henry” was putting up those obscene messages yesterday, and calling you a “curry-muncher.” He’s banned.

November 16, 2008 @ 6:26 pm | Comment

Richard, thanks for letting me know.

Personally I like curry – who doesn’t? Even the Chinese do. Are they curry-munchers as well?

November 16, 2008 @ 8:13 pm | Comment

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