Is nothing sacred anymore?

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Shameful. Still, it had me laughing out loud.

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Richard Burger is the author of Behind the Red Door: Sex in China, an exploration of China's sexual revolution and its clash with traditional Chinese values.

The Discussion: 62 Comments

That is, admittedly, pretty clever.

October 24, 2007 @ 11:22 pm | Comment

All that is missing is a group of western executives cheering the executioners and holding a Taiwanese captive for the need shooting.

October 25, 2007 @ 12:12 am | Comment

Richard, with all due respect, please don’t “laugh out loud” about the pictures you posted, unless and until you are willing to be subjected to being tortured and shot to death like many Chinese patriots, in the way which is depicted in those pictures.

And our friend, Fat Cat, agrees with me 100 percent about this.

October 25, 2007 @ 12:36 am | Comment

It’s quite common for people to make serious points through humour, though the intentions of the artist could be varied.

October 25, 2007 @ 2:34 am | Comment

the chicago 2016 emblem looks somewhat similar to a iraq baby’s face being blown open by bombs. if you have that kind of imagination.

October 25, 2007 @ 6:55 am | Comment

Ivan, I agree that torture and executions are no laughing matter, especially in China where life often seems so cheap and executions are an everyday occurrence. But the use of the dancing man logo still made me laugh in spite of myself, I have to admit.

October 25, 2007 @ 9:18 am | Comment

Raj, exactly. I’ve seen poltical cartoons about devastatingly serious topics that made me laugh, even though the subject was dark and terrible. If you read Jesus’ General or Sadly No (both on my blogroll), you’ll see they are brilliantly funny, though in truth they are exposing very depressing stories.

I tried to underscore my feelings about this by noting the cartoon was “shameful,” yet it made me laugh.

October 25, 2007 @ 9:36 am | Comment

I think it is still ok to laugh at, because the humor behind it is making fun of China’s terrible human rights record. It is laughable that China thinks it deserves the olympics when it is such a horrible regime, and this cartoon matches that humor. I laughed, and no I don’t feel guilty about it.

The United Nations held a test to see which country is best suited to catch Bin Laden. So they picked a forest for each country, and let loose a white rabbit in each forest, then told each country to get the rabbit out. America spent over 600 billion dollars building an enormous military, complete with high tech tanks, spy planes, elite soldiers and Blackwater mercenaries. After tearing the forest apart, the head general gives a press conference and says “we attacked the wrong forest”.

Russia saves a bit more money, and simply burns the forest to the ground. Then said, “Forest? What forest?”

China sends two cops, who proceed to start a game of Mahjiang, playing and drinking baijiu until 10:00 that night. Then, one of them says “I guess we should go catch that rabbit”, and they head into the forest. After a long session of screaming and punching sounds, they drag out a deer, nearly beat to death, screaming “it’s true! I’m the rabbit, I’M THE RABBIT!!!!”

October 25, 2007 @ 10:03 am | Comment

I was a bit preoccupied last night. So I left the commenting task to Ivan’s capable hands.

We understand the satirical intention of the pictures. We have no problems with dark humour. But Richard my friend, with due respect, we do have a problem with your simplistic response to these images.

This set of cartoon allows several layers of readings, as most good political satires would do. You can interpret it as a mockery of China’s human right record, as Chip had just done. But in a twisted kind of way, you can also interpret it as a celebration of an ultimate display of state-sanctioned brutality, totally unchallenged and happily endorsed by the international community. There is nothing laughable or funny about the second interpretation. In fact the thought of it upsets my stomach.

So I hope you understand where we are coming from.

I’m in a hurry to go to class. Ivan might want to elaborate a bit more later on.

October 25, 2007 @ 2:11 pm | Comment

I thought it was funny, in a sick kinda way. I’ve seen plenty of brutal cartoons satirizing Bush, torture and war that are similar in tone and concept.

Like those guerilla ads that combine iPod and Abu Ghraib. Nothing that happened at Abu Ghraib was remotely funny. But the subversive “branding” of it was. To me, anyway.

It’s not laughing at brutality or cruelty or the arbitrary tyranny of the state. It’s laughing at the pretentions of said state claiming legitimacy via global PR campaign.

October 25, 2007 @ 3:27 pm | Comment

wow – ferins, i’ve said it before, and i’ll say it again – you’re fucked up!

I thought this was pretty funny, in a very black kind of way.

October 25, 2007 @ 4:12 pm | Comment

Yes, maybe it’s a bit harsh, but still I find the joke okay. Humour is what gets us through life.

October 25, 2007 @ 4:32 pm | Comment

Looking at the cartoon itself, it is creative and funny. The problem is that one can hardly find any audience in China who agree to what the cartoon tries to say (to prove I am wrong, show it to your Chinese friends). Most people there view it as an incurable illness of mind in some people, pretty much in the same way as they look at people like Mia Farrow and the causes they have been diligently flighting for.

October 26, 2007 @ 12:59 am | Comment

nah it takes a specific mindset- with regard to attitude towards china, to make that kind of thing funny.

most people in china won’t find it funny, not because it criticizes the government, but because of a personal dislike of just bloody and violent stuff.

by the way chinese people have no problem pronouncing l’s, that’s the Japanese (the audio says “orympic”) . If you think you’re so “sophisticated” that you just have to “attack corrupt foreign regimes” at least get that misconception corrected. Jesus Christ on a the Virgin Mary’s buttplug, how hard is that for people to grasp?

Anyone over the age of 6 will realize that there’s no compassion for Chinese citizens in the joke.

October 26, 2007 @ 6:08 am | Comment

That could have been true years ago. China is on a different track now. It is a giant economy and things have changed now. Priority now is the Economy.

http://www.izzat-sajdi.blogspot.com

October 26, 2007 @ 7:16 am | Comment

Izzat Sajdi said, “That could have been true years ago. China is on a different track now. It is a giant economy and things have changed now. Priority now is the Economy.”

Any honest commenter whose understanding of the PRC is more than skin deep would have told you that you are very much mistaken.

But still, thanks for linking to your blog. I enjoy reading your essays. The one on the baobab tree is particularly interesting. I live in Western Australian where one of the species can still be found. And I had the pleasure of sitting inside a hollow giant baobab tree when I ventured north many years ago.

October 26, 2007 @ 2:29 pm | Comment

Cat,

Olympics is the wrong pick to flight with China. Whether or not China deserves the game is not an issue. The international community already made the decision 8 years ago. And to the Chinese themselves, I personally know no Chinese around me who are against it. Sure, many people have this and that kind of issues about it; for example, why make it such a big deal for a one month event? But, overall, it is definitely a plus. I think you are a nice guy; but I am sure you will understand the country much more if you talk more with your Chinese friends around you.

October 26, 2007 @ 4:58 pm | Comment

Fat Cat said, “But in a twisted kind of way, you can also interpret it as a celebration of an ultimate display of state-sanctioned brutality, totally unchallenged and happily endorsed by the international community.”

That’s my point too. Consider how to this day the CCP justify the Tienanmen Square massacre as an essential foundation of China’s “economic miracle”, of which, in the CCP’s eyes, the Olympics are the main symbol currently. Li Peng and millions of vicious little feng qing would applaud this cartoon.

I’ll only laugh at a cartoon that really outrages the Communist Party. This one doesn’t, not really.

October 26, 2007 @ 5:16 pm | Comment

And ferins said, “Anyone over the age of 6 will realize that there’s no compassion for Chinese citizens in the joke.”

My point exactly. This is the first time I have agreed with ferins 100 percent. When ferins and I agree on something, it should make you think about it more…

October 26, 2007 @ 5:23 pm | Comment

Z,

I’m not advocating any boycott of the 2008 Olympics due to China’s human rights record, very far from it. I was in Sydney before, during and after the 2000 Olympics and I witnessed how the Olympic spirit helped bring out the best of Australia. I believe similar thing is going to happen in China. And I’m very happy about it. If I can, I would like to be in Beijing around the time of the Games.

In the same breath, I will not stop criticising China’s human rights record because Bejing is hosting the Games. It would be very dishonest for the CCP and its apologists to suggest that all critics of China’s human rights record do that with an intention to sabotage the Games.

Thank you for your kind words about me being a nice guy who needs to learn more about China. For your information, I am an Aussie of ethnic Chinese background. I have literacy skills just like a native speaker of Chinese. I worked and studied for many years in China. I dare to suggest that I understand China far better than most TPD commenters. However, I don’t define my identity in terms of my ethnicity. That explains why my perspective on China is a bit unusual. If you like, you can call me an opinionated skeptic. I believe in the protection of civil liberties. Therefore I advocate setting limits to prevent governments from abusing power. Like many American commenters here, I criticise my own government more often than I criticise the Chinese government.

Last but not least, I am not even a man. That also explains why sometimes I have a slightly different perspective on some issues.

October 26, 2007 @ 7:11 pm | Comment

Fat Cat said,

“Last but not least, I am not even a man. That also explains why sometimes I have a slightly different perspective on some issues.”

Did you know that when a man looks downward at his own penis, it looks smaller than it really is, because of the distorted perspective? Oh how many wars and needless demonstrations of masculinity might have been avoided, if only some men would have sought out different perspectives – from women – on a very male issue which men are incapable of seeing in reasonable proportion!

On that note, did you all know that a gorilla’s penis is only around two inches (three centimetres) long when fully erect? So much for the idea that big muscles correlate with big dicks.

The ancient Greeks and Romans – may the gods and goddesses bless them – had a different perspective on this indeed, thanks to the great influence of women upon them, and their respect for women’s opinions. In the paintings and sculptures of ancient Greece and Rome, an OVERLY big dick was considered to be freakish and ugly.

Thus, this Monty Python clip (from “Life of Brian”) of Pontius Pilate talking about his friend “Biggus Dickus”, actually was based on serious historical research (seriously, it really was) on what the Romans thought about big dicks:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-FByERYetqI

Thank God, and Goddess, the Romans listened to their women and had very realistic perspectives…

October 26, 2007 @ 9:14 pm | Comment

Oh come on, Ivan, I only said “some issues”. Not THAT issue.

Anyway, your comment about male and female perspectives reminds me of an experiment that my colleague conducted with a group of students the other day. My colleague wrote the words, “A woman without her man is nothing” on the blackboard and asked the students to punctuate it correctly.

Most male students wrote: “A woman, without her man, is nothing.”

Most female students wrote: “A woman: without her, man is nothing.”

In any case if you want to know, Ivan, I just checked with your partner about her perspective. She asks me to assure you that she has no complaint.

October 26, 2007 @ 10:20 pm | Comment

P.S. Richard, I apologise for dragging the comments off-topic. But it’s been really boring at TPD lately. We desparately need more humour, more intelligent exchange of opinion and less mud slinging from snow and pffefer

October 26, 2007 @ 10:28 pm | Comment

Well in the spirit of Fat Cat’s request for more humour – and my above remarks about big dicks – here’s an old story from Medieval France:

The story goes, back in the French countryside around the year 1400, Saint Martin (a patron saint of the poor, and of France) appeared to two very poor peasants, a man and wife. And St Martin said,
“God has taken pity on you and your hard lives! God has given me the power to grant you three wishes!”

So then the woman said, “Cocks! My husband doesn’t give me enough cock! I want my husband COVERED with COCKS!”

And St Martin waved his hand, and then the man was covered with cocks all over his body.

Then the man said, “You stupid woman! I wish the same for you! I wish your body was covered with cunts!”

And St Martin waved his hand, and then the woman’s body was covered with cunts.

Then they both said, “Oh, St Martin, will you please make all these cocks and cunts go away?”

And then St Martin waved his hand, and ALL of their cocks and cunts disappeared, including the ones they were born with.

Then St Martin told them both:

“The next time, instead of asking for cocks and cunts – ask for brains?”

October 26, 2007 @ 10:46 pm | Comment

Please point out any inappropriate mudslinging FatCat, I don’t mean to be inappropriate, in fact I might not notice what you are noticing, so feel free to tell me what is bothering you.

I know my opinion on the party might seem too extrmem to most people since most people think the party is a bit good and a bit bad, I happen to think it is all bad so that might contribute to people thinking I am too extreme, but I have that opinion now and it hasn’t changed, I can’t apologize for the way I see reality, but since you said “mudslinging” I will be extra careful not to make any personal remarks against pfeffer, although saying someone is wrong and brainwashed is not personal, it is an objective remark derived from my understanding of the situation, so theres nothing for me to apologize for there….

Thanks.

October 27, 2007 @ 12:33 am | Comment

eh i guess they’re all bad in the sense most politicians are all bad

now at least.

china doesn’t need bloodsuckers, sycophants and incompetents at this point though, so 50-80% of the cpc should probably be shot.

October 27, 2007 @ 4:02 pm | Comment

Richard,

You know a post is in trouble when the thread is hijacked by socks chattering to each other.

October 28, 2007 @ 2:25 am | Comment

The American Society is Not a Law-Based Society At All

In the opening post of this thread, the author showed 4 pictures of a Chinese man being shot to death in the chest by three Chinese police men. The author wanted to show of course how bad the Chinese society is, how bad the Chinese police is, and how there’s no law in society in China. And in contrast, many pro-American and democracy activists often yell: “American society is a law-based society!” This post wants to disagree with that statement. This post believes that the American society is at most a pseudo law-based society.

What should a law-based society look like? Let me define certain characteristics. First, it must have laws, or “stipulations”. Then, anyone who violates these laws will be punished. And the degree of punishment is also stipulated. All laws are strictly enforced.

Then, why do I say that the American society is a pseudo law based society? The reason is lawyers. In other words, in America, lawyers became an enterprise, a commercial industry. This industry provides “legal services”. I am not opposed to this industry. In a modern society, this industry is essential, because if one needs to go to court against others, either willingly or unwillingly, he needs help from people who have expert knowledge in the related laws.

But the problem with American version of the industry is that it is divided into levels. Some levels are more expensive than others. And the differences in price is almost astronomical. An expensive lawyer in new york city could be several hundred times more expensive than an inexpensive one. This will cause a problem. What is the problem? Let read on.

For example, if I am a consumer in this society, and I need to go to court one day. Then, I need to spend money to hire a lawyer. So far so good, I have not opposed anything yet in this example.

But, the price for a lawyer varies a lot. For the same case, if you hire an expensive lawyer, then, at least in theory, your probability of winning is higher than a cheap lawyer.

I have seen many American movies about lawyers. And the plot is essentially this: there is a case looks a certain way from the beginning, but because of the smartness and good argument ability of the lawyer, the case started to change and resulted a totally different outcome. And there’s always a lot of suspense, in which the viewer thinks the case is lost, yet because of all kinds of genius strategies by the lawyer, the case is finally won.

Now American exports a massive number of such lawyer movies to China, this I believe is a plot of “peaceful transformation” by the Americans. When a Chinese viewer watches these movies, he’ll think “look how great American society is! Everything is about law and lawyers!”. But I’m sorry, I do not see anything about “law” in those movies. How ridiculous it is that justice can only be delivered through the smartness and argumentat ability of individual lawyers. So in American society, whether you will receive justice depends on how “glib” your lawyer is, and how good he is at arguing. This is not lawfulness, this is called debate game, or talk show.

For the same case, a very rich man can hire a very good laywer, and a poor man can only afford low-level lawyers or free laywers given to him by the government. Of course we know that in law school, only the stupid students end up become free lawyers for the government. So when a rich man goes against a poor man in a court, who has a higher chance of winning? This is not a lawful society, this is a reactionary society, a fascist society, a rich dictatorship society.

Now, you may ask “Shut up Math! Everyone knows American society is the best, at least better than China! Do you have any better idea?!”

Well, in my mind, “legal services” should be very similar to bottled water. That is, when you buy bottled water, you are simply buying water, H2O, there’s not much to it. Some brand may be slightly more expensive than others, but there’s no fundamental difference between one brand of bottled water and another, so the the price differences are very low. It’s impossible to have one brand of bottled water priced at 100 times more than another brand. If there is, no one will buy that brand.

If legal services industry is set up like that. Then anyone can hire a lawyer, and there’ll be not be much difference in price or difference in the lawyer’s performance. Why is there not much difference in performance, because when you hire a lawyer, you are not hiring him to argue for you, you are simply hiring him to fill out some forms, write up some documents, etc. And argumentation will never even play a role in a court system.

In other words, the more the legal services industry look like bottled water industry, the more the society will be a law based society.

But, today’s American society’s legal services industry looks more like the restaurant industry. An expensive restaurant can serve 1000 times better dishes, 1000 times better service, 1000 times better decoration, and of course 1000 times more expensive. And as a result, only rich people can afford the better restaurant.

Therefore, as China is building its current society, it must not learn from America in this aspect. It must try to build a society whose legal service industry will look like the bottled water industry. Unfortunately, it’s too late for America to change, because legal services in industry in America is already too powerful, their voice is too strong, and unless there’s a violent revolution, they’ll of course oppose making changes to the current structure.

October 28, 2007 @ 4:11 am | Comment

“Whether or not China deserves the game is not an issue. The international community already made the decision 8 years ago.”

Considering the international community’s reaction to Darfur and Burma (let’s sit down and talk about it endlessly) and the international community’s involvement in skimming the oil for food program in Iraq and the general lack of involvement in the ’05 tsunami disaster, the international community doesn’t have much of a leg to stand on with regards to its legitimacy or opinions.

October 28, 2007 @ 5:59 am | Comment

Darfur? Last time I checked it was the rebels who attacked and killed several African Union soldiers, and two days ago I heard they kidnapped two Chinese workers. These same people, if targeting US and western interests, would have been labelled as terrorists and crushed without mercy. I’d say kill those terrorists, no matter where they are and who they fight against.

Hypocrisy knows no bound.

October 28, 2007 @ 8:00 am | Comment

“I was in Sydney before, during and after the 2000 Olympics and I witnessed how the Olympic spirit helped bring out the best of Australia. I believe similar thing is going to happen in China.”

Maybe like the 1936 Olympics in Berlin brought out the best of Germany? I hope not.

“Did you know that when a man looks downward at his own penis, it looks smaller than it really is, because of the distorted perspective? Oh how many wars and needless demonstrations of masculinity might have been avoided, if only some men would have sought out different perspectives – from women – on a very male issue which men are incapable of seeing in reasonable proportion!”

Maybe using a mirror could be a solution?

“china doesn’t need bloodsuckers, sycophants and incompetents at this point though, so 50-80% of the cpc should probably be shot.”

Make that 80-100%!

“For the same case, a very rich man can hire a very good laywer, and a poor man can only afford low-level lawyers or free laywers given to him by the government. Of course we know that in law school, only the stupid students end up become free lawyers for the government. So when a rich man goes against a poor man in a court, who has a higher chance of winning? This is not a lawful society, this is a reactionary society, a fascist society, a rich dictatorship society.”

Oops, Math did it again. By trying to show how bad American society is (Michael Moore is much better at that) he gave a perfect example of how modern Chinese society works.

“Considering the international community’s reaction to Darfur and Burma (let’s sit down and talk about it endlessly) and the international community’s involvement in skimming the oil for food program in Iraq and the general lack of involvement in the ’05 tsunami disaster, the international community doesn’t have much of a leg to stand on with regards to its legitimacy or opinions.”

Sad, but true. And that’s the card the Chinese government (and their whores like our dear friend Mr. Cunningham) are going to play again and again and again …

October 28, 2007 @ 9:24 am | Comment

Human rights torch arrives in Australia

http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Human-rights-torch-arrives-in-Australi
a/2007/10/27/1192941389998.html

October 28, 2007 @ 11:11 am | Comment

Maybe like the 1936 Olympics in Berlin brought out the best of Germany? I hope not.

Why do people continue using this moronic comparison? Nazi Germany and modern China are NOTHING alike. Polar opposites, actually. China is more like South Korea or Taiwan in the 80s.

October 28, 2007 @ 11:58 am | Comment

Ferins, I agree that Nazi Germany and China are not similar in most ways. However, the way they used the Olympics is definitely similar, and the way Nazi Germany looked so appealing in 1936 does seem to parallel the rosy outlook many now see in China, in large part because of the Olympics and the stamp of validation it brings its host. See my post on the left sidebar, The Staggering Magnificence of China for more.

October 28, 2007 @ 12:43 pm | Comment

Richard, then I suppose authoritarian states should be banned from hosting the Olympic Games?

October 28, 2007 @ 12:56 pm | Comment

I don’t think there’s much of an illusion abroad that China is paradise. There isn’t that mindset, that the hosting country is perfect and that the situation surrounding the games represents the country as a whole. Maybe it did a long time ago, but I think people have become far more cynical and slightly more aware in modern times.

It’s just “international community”stuff, feel-good bunk, a lot of talk and nothing more.

October 28, 2007 @ 2:21 pm | Comment

You sick bitch. Only very sick people will create this cartoon and think it is humorous. Of course this is the level of this blog, anything that is anti-China is welcome, does not matter how sick and disgusting it is. You talk about Human Rights everyday on this blog, but you laugh at this cartoon, so how can people believe you really believe in human rights?

October 29, 2007 @ 12:00 am | Comment

“Last time I checked it was the rebels who attacked and killed several African Union soldiers, and two days ago I heard they kidnapped two Chinese workers.”

You are always on top of things pfeffer…not:
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/MCD467208.htm

October 29, 2007 @ 1:15 am | Comment

I regret to say that HongXing makes perfect sense this time.

October 29, 2007 @ 12:48 pm | Comment

Agree, sad sad truth.

Hong xing, the CCP is anti China, you are more defensive towards peking duck people then the CCP even thought THEY are the ones who make this cartoon a sad defamation of your motherland. You can’t change the truth by hiding your head in the sand. If you want to recover your motherlands reputation, dont hide the CCPs crime, do whats right and prosecute them for them.

October 29, 2007 @ 1:45 pm | Comment

[quote]HongXing said:
You sick bitch. Only very sick people will create this cartoon and think it is humorous. Of course this is the level of this blog, anything that is anti-China is welcome, does not matter how sick and disgusting it is. You talk about Human Rights everyday on this blog, but you laugh at this cartoon, so how can people believe you really believe in human rights?

Posted by: HongXing at October 29, 2007 12:00 AM
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HongXing:

I have not posted a single post on my own website, nor a single comment on any blog since i returned to the USSA 2 months ago.

I only comment here…, and now…. to tell you (HongXing) this…

It is [my/you/sinocidal/our] right to post anything [I/we/you/them] want on the site. You don’t like…. Leave it.

If you find [it] exceptionally offensive, contact your ELECTED government representative. If you are from Florida, or somewhere ELSE in the world where you do not have access to an elected official, then…. Then WHAT? Then you have NO fukn choice….do you NOW?

Quit your crying and start a revolution. I am sick and tired of people like you misplacing their own [instilled] values on others.

I don’t criticize your chosen form of government now do I?

HOW can you say [the site] is all about Anti-China? Have you read the posts? Have you read the comments?

HAVE YOU ever met one of the sinocidal.con ones?

No… You haven’t. There is not one single ANTI-CHINA person in the bunch.

The problem is this. You misunderstand something. I CAN say anything I want anytime I want, and I will. If I say something that makes China “lose face” I am anti-China?

Sorry to tell you this but….

You’ve got problems. Seek professional help.

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Questions:

1.) How or why is the cartoon, as HongXing put it: “Anti-China”?

2.) What in the hell does “Anti-China” mean?

3.) Does that mean that all countries in the world should ban/edit editorial cartoons?
________

Note to all: A fair number of Mainland Chinese will answer #3 with an affirmative.

Just to save face.

October 29, 2007 @ 2:37 pm | Comment

“”"”"”"”"”Note to all: A fair number of Mainland Chinese will answer #3 with an affirmative.

Just to save face.”"”"”"”"”"”

ha ha funny, oops now I will be called anti China for laughing at the weird truth that makes “China” “loose face”

Hm, its almost as if they want to censor the truth to create a false impression that makes people believe they are great glorious and correct, i wonder where that kind of thinking has come from???

Sure nobody really likes to loose face but, to be so bold as to actually think it is acceptable to cover up and make people believe in untruth for the sole purpose for one party (and its brainwashed) to save face, ! Inconceivable!

October 30, 2007 @ 12:58 am | Comment

Why are people so surprised? People are labeled “Anti-American” when they speak against the US government, why can’t you be labeled as “anti-Chinese” when you consistently and constantly churn out the same old bs that sounds just like FLG propaganda?

October 30, 2007 @ 2:50 am | Comment

What does anti america have to do with China, what does China have to does anti china have to do with Falun Gong, what does that have to do with what I say?

I am against the stupid communist party, I am not anti China and I do not see how you interpret that as Falun Gong propaganda.

Why is this so hard for you?

I do not support the CCP not even one little bit, can you accept that? Just accept it, theres no problem. No one is forcing you to agree with me, but stop labeling me and the like because I dont support the communist party, to me, my opinion is the moral stance since I find the party evil, so just accept me and my understanding who doncha.

Why do you think I should support them? Dont you think the world would be better without them? I just want whats best.

October 30, 2007 @ 5:07 am | Comment

There is not one single ANTI-CHINA person in the bunch.

You must be joking me. These are the top 3 anti-China personalities on this blog from worst to least:

1) Nanheyangrouchuan (he has some mental problems, always repeating the phrase “bad China”.)

2) snow (FLG member)

3) Ivan (Russian chauvinist).

About this cartoon. What if someone posts a “humorous” cartoon about a Jewish man being killed in a gas chamber in world war 2, and says it is OK to laugh at it because it shows how evil the Nazis are. Do you think that is OK?

October 30, 2007 @ 11:29 am | Comment

Oh dear! HongXing you totally, completely and utterly got the wrong end of the stick.

1. LaoLao, the one who spitted on you above, is from Sinocidal. When he said “the bunch”, he is referring to the 5 guys at Sinocidal. Now go and check it out.

2. Nanhe has no mental problem at all. He is one of the most eloquent and coherent writers who comments on China issues. That’s why he could get away with murder.

2. Snow is a FLG member. And by definition, he is anti-CCP but not anti-China. You, HongXing, on the contrary, are pro-CCP and anti-China. See the difference.

3. Ivan is not Russian, not a chauvinist of any kind and not anti-China. He is not even anti-CCP. He mentions Russia from time to time just to piss off Chinese chauvinists like you. Poor HongXing, I know how the dissolving of the Soviet Union would have sent a shiver up your spine …

4. And then you have nice personalities at TPD, such as me, Fat Cat. I am rational, logical, reasonable, moderate, fair and balanced, totally unbiased, not a hint of subversion, the perfect version of a pander-hugger … what else do you want ….

October 30, 2007 @ 12:28 pm | Comment

Pfeffer: “Richard, then I suppose authoritarian states should be banned from hosting the Olympic Games?”

What do you base that on? Whoever said such a thing?

HX, good to see you back and good to see you’re still full of seething hatred. You compare this cartoon to one that mocks Jews being killed in the Holocaust. Why? The bad guys are the executioners. To me, the cartoon is a dark reference to the Chinese government’s love affair with the death penalty and firing squads.

October 30, 2007 @ 1:31 pm | Comment

I love China, I like Cina, I revere China, I adore China, I respect China, did I mention I love China, I have the best wishes for China, I want the Chinese people to be liberated, I want to learn all about Chinese culture, stories and I want to learn Chinese. I want China to be bright, happy and great,

repeat repeat, I will repeat as many times as I have to until you hear me.

Ask yourself: Am I able to distinguish between the communist party and my country?

I dont know you so I wont go on and on about how brainwashed you are, but anyway, I just want you to think about it.

October 30, 2007 @ 2:23 pm | Comment

How come it is assumed that I am a Falun Gong practitioner? I guess cause I care for them and agree with them about the CCP stuff.

Somehow, I dont think this is the right place to talk about my spiritual understandings and beliefs, so I won’t say too much about that…

g’night all

October 30, 2007 @ 2:25 pm | Comment

Snow,

My bad, bad mistake. I should have said that you’re a FLG sympathiser. But I guess you have no objection to the rest of my statement about you being anti-CCP but not anti-China.

October 30, 2007 @ 3:09 pm | Comment

“3) Ivan (Russian chauvinist).”

Yes, Ivan, you must be Russian, because your name is Ivan and my middle school teacher tell me all the Russian men name is Ivan.
You bad Russian chauvinist! You are just jealous, because you don’t have great culture like our Chinese culture.
Russia never has great poet like Mao Zedong.
Russia never has great musician like S.H.E.
Russia never has great comedian like Yang Rui
and Russia never has domesticated dancing gold-haired monkey like Phil Cunningham.
You see, China is superior culture and so you Western imperialists hate us, but in next year maybe Chinese will fly to the moon and paint it the colors of our national flag and then it will be called “Red Star”!

October 30, 2007 @ 6:11 pm | Comment

Snow, now that I know you are a FLG member or sympathizer, I have no argument with you any more. Enough said.

Fat Cat, why is being pro-CCP anti-China? Is the CCP bad for China? China would have been much better off without the CCP?

HX, you are suffering from inferiority complex. Do you think the Chinese are inferior to foreigners? Otherwise why do you get carried away by some random remarks and rants from a bunch of foreigners who not necessarily better than you? Getting pathetically whinny like the Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson does not help. China has a lot to learn from the US, numero uno being “confidence”. Hey we Americans don’t give a rat’s ass about what you Chinese, Russians, Javanese or whatever say about us. Say whatever you want. We are the best. We are No.1. The Chinese need to get to where Americans are at: You foreign blabbermouths, fire away and nobody gives a damn.

October 31, 2007 @ 7:01 am | Comment

Whats with the need to label me? Falun Gong this and that, what’s the point? As in, whats the relevance? don’t find it normal to label people as if they subscribed to some absolute formula and had no capability of growing, learning and enlightening beyond their current understandings. Anyway…

Pfeffer,

If you we are in Germany and I am a Jew in nazi occupation time, wouldnt you just talk to me the same way.

Yea, the CCP is anti China and it would be better if they never existed.

October 31, 2007 @ 1:40 pm | Comment

Snow, I didn’t give you that label, fat cat did and I thought you had no objections? And why are you so upset about it? It’s not that bad, is it? I have nothing against the average FLG folks even though I think they are not too smart and I certainly hold nothing against those people who sympathize their plight. My understanding they share the blind hatred toward the CCP, just as you have demonstrated, and for this reason I am not surprised why you think the way you think, if you are a FLG member or sympathizer. That’s it.

If you were a Jew in Nazi Germany and I were a regular German, at the very least I wouldn’t bother you or harm you (if I weren’t brave enough to think of ways to help you).

Is the CCP anti-China or not? Let the Chinese people be the judge. Let history be the judge. Foreigners stay out of it.

November 1, 2007 @ 5:37 am | Comment

clarification:

nanhe = blueteam, lou dobbs type
snow = falun gong
hongxing = hardline ccp supporter

November 1, 2007 @ 11:22 am | Comment

ferins = self-proclaimed “fair and balanced” China expert

November 1, 2007 @ 5:34 pm | Comment

China’s Olympic lie:

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1357069DKZqmaty

November 2, 2007 @ 1:23 am | Comment

“”"”"”"”"”Is the CCP anti-China or not? Let the Chinese people be the judge. Let history be the judge. Foreigners stay out of it.”"”"”"”"

Maybe if the CCP didnt implant united fronts all over the world and manipulate our leadership on all levels, infiltrate our societies with thousands of spies, build up an enormous army armed with psycho propaganda a la NKorea, if the CCP wasnt a cult that spread its lies all over the world threatening people’s economies etc ect,

If they didnt engage in wanton torture and selling peoples organs, if they didnt insist on keeping their gulag practices secret, putting on a face for the world to adore, if they werent persecuting innocent, even very good people for their selfish growing power,

if all these things were not happening, maybe we would stay out of it.

If you keep all your brainwashed people in China, and let all the Falun Gong people and other good people go free, then it might be an option to stay out of things.

November 2, 2007 @ 2:33 am | Comment

“Maybe if the CCP didnt implant united fronts all over the world and manipulate our leadership on all levels, infiltrate our societies with thousands of spies, build up an enormous army armed with psycho propaganda a la NKorea, if the CCP wasnt a cult that spread its lies all over the world threatening people’s economies etc ect”

What nonsense. Is the CCP that powerful that it has been manipulating “your leadership” on all levels and infiltrating your societies? Last time I checked your PM Harper gave the Chinese the middle finger by publicly greeting and welcoming Dalai Lama. Tell me that he is being manipulated by the Chinese. And please, which country does not have spies? Canada does not have spies? No @#$%. “Our societies”? Western societies you mean? Enormous army? I suppose you have a workable brain, snow, if you do, tell me how much the Chinese are spending on its military vs. the Americans. Any sane person would not make that accusation. Threatening people’s economies? Whose economies? Canadian economy? If you believe that by trading with China Canadian economy has suffered, please start a petition to completely cut off trade with China to punish evil China, would you?

“If they didnt engage in wanton torture and selling peoples organs, if they didnt insist on keeping their gulag practices secret, putting on a face for the world to adore, if they werent persecuting innocent, even very good people for their selfish growing power,”
Typical FLG propaganda. What else can I say?
“if all these things were not happening, maybe we would stay out of it.If you keep all your brainwashed people in China, and let all the Falun Gong people and other good people go free, then it might be an option to stay out of things.”

Haha, what can you do, snow? I told you to go protest at Tiananmen Square, you told me you didn’t have the guts to go. I told you you could hijack CCP buildings, storm Zhongnanhai, instigate and coordinate rebellions in China, you went silent. If you seriously want to changes things in China and “stay in”, go ahead and do these things. I applaud you. Just don’t sit in front of the computer all day and whine and run at the first sight of seeing a Chinese cop. :-)

November 2, 2007 @ 6:53 am | Comment

I love China, I like Cina, I revere China, I adore China, I respect China, did I mention I love China, I have the best wishes for China, I want the Chinese people to be liberated, I want to learn all about Chinese culture, stories and I want to learn Chinese. I want China to be bright, happy and great,

repeat repeat, I will repeat as many times as I have to until you hear me.

Ask yourself: Am I able to distinguish between the communist party and my country?

November 2, 2007 @ 11:26 pm | Comment

I love China, I like Cina, I revere China, I adore China, I respect China, did I mention I love China, I have the best wishes for China, I want the Chinese people to be liberated, I want to learn all about Chinese culture, stories and I want to learn Chinese. I want China to be bright, happy and great,

repeat repeat, I will repeat as many times as I have to until you hear me.

Ask yourself: Am I able to distinguish between the communist party and my country?

November 2, 2007 @ 11:27 pm | Comment

“I love China, I like Cina, I revere China, I adore China, I respect China, did I mention I love China, I have the best wishes for China, I want the Chinese people to be liberated, I want to learn all about Chinese culture, stories and I want to learn Chinese. I want China to be bright, happy and great,”

As credible as a Nazi telling us how much he loves the Jews.

It’s you sir, who can’t distinguish between the party and China, otherwise you would have said the following:

“build up an enormous army armed with psycho propaganda a la NKorea, if the CCP wasnt a cult that spread its lies all over the world threatening people’s economies etc ect”

Poll the Chinese and tell me how many of them actually think the military buildup and the economic development are bad.

November 3, 2007 @ 10:15 am | Comment

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