Beijing: A Room with a View

Photos through a Beijing window.

I’ve been walking around the past few days at lunchtime, wondering just what’s in these low-hanging clouds that smother all the buildings and wrap the city in a noxious haze. Rest assured, however, that it’ll all be gone by August 8, 2008. We’ll see.

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Richard Burger is the author of Behind the Red Door: Sex in China, an exploration of China's sexual revolution and its clash with traditional Chinese values.

The Discussion: 46 Comments

time to start planting trees

July 27, 2007 @ 9:14 am | Comment

Some scientists have found some air pollution that is specific to China (another export to be so proud of) in USA. I would have thought people would be making a bigger deal about China polluting so much. It’s depressing how little people seem to care about anything, but I think the CCP wants us to get depressed and entirely hopeless/submissive so that they can bulldoze the world easier…

So I won’t get depressed over how little people care.

If you’ve seen that Micheal Moore movie about health care, there’s this part where they say that powerful gov’ts (some of them) do what they can to keep people fearfull, hopeless and… because they are easy to control and manipulate… Anyway, it’s really awful…….

July 27, 2007 @ 11:39 am | Comment

Will be interesting to see what they will achieve till the Olympics. Maybe it suddenly clears off shortly before the games, when they shut down all the power plants and issue bans on driving private cars.

July 27, 2007 @ 12:28 pm | Comment

What we need is a good breeze. Or some rain. Preferably both.

Snow, pollution is also a big American export. And Australia produces more greenhouse gas per capita than any other nation. I think maybe it’s time for everyone to stop playing the blame game and start cooperating to solve these problems.

July 27, 2007 @ 1:32 pm | Comment

chris:

US and Oz’s pollution problem is like a campfire compared to what comes out of China. Rare bacteria, viruses and radioactive materials ride the sandstorms from China to SK, Japan, Hawaii and California.

The West never reached that scale during the industrial revolution.

China’s problem is that they don’t want cooperation, they want free money and free technology (that they can strip down and resell).

July 27, 2007 @ 2:09 pm | Comment

Well, at least the tap water in Beijing is drinkable now.

July 27, 2007 @ 7:02 pm | Comment

but the pipes are too old so by the time it comes out the tap it’s not.

To be honest i’ve never noticed Beijing’s pollution, maybe just lucky. (I don’t live there but visit about once a year)

July 27, 2007 @ 7:19 pm | Comment

If anything Chinese government is only pretending to try to solve this serious pollution in China, while deep inside it actually supports pollution just like it actually supports food poisoning..anything that lowers people’s analytic and critical thinking skills is considered good according to Chinese government because people would be more vulnerable to all communist brainwashing methods…so why not?
It is all a major problem that foreign governments are not paying enough attention to this Chinese government hypocrisy. When will they learn that Chinese government is not actually going to do anything about such serious issues in China and that Chinese government is only pretending to care?

July 27, 2007 @ 9:52 pm | Comment

“To be honest i’ve never noticed Beijing’s pollution”

Never underestimate the power of denial.

July 27, 2007 @ 10:11 pm | Comment

Well the thing is that the CCP has been given so much as far as friendly engagement and the benefit of the doubt (to the point of criminal negligence!). As “friendly engagemnt” tactic they were even given the Olympics as a pay off for the CCP to want to become better. But the CCP doesnt go for it, they seem to want to be bad, no matter what friendliness is extended, seems they wont be happy unless everyone ios their slave.

The Olympic committee if Im not mistaken asked them to fix up pollution and improve human rights, but all they have done is decided to switch off Beijing for a few days hoping to get a few clear day!!! I mean thats just so ODD!!! And with respect (HAH) to human rights, instead of making amends, they have struck hard at “dissent” hoping to pretend that they have created harmony!!!

So I think that friendly engagement has by far been rejected by the CCP as a means of cooperating and improving.

Calling out the CCP’s crimes against humanity is not a game, not at all. The purpose is not to argue and say who pollutes more and what not, the purpose is to make a difference, but again friendly engagement is a joke to the CCP, they don’t accept it and won’t cooperate.

How many times have you seen the CCP comprimise when it wasn’t just to keep themselves in power? Keeping themselves in power is the only goal for them, not human rights and not air quality. So if these issues were to pose a threat to their rule, then we can make a difference. That’s why I support the Olympics boycott principle.

July 28, 2007 @ 6:25 am | Comment

“The West never reached that scale during the industrial revolution.”

Yeah because they had like a collective 200 million people back then, lol.

July 28, 2007 @ 8:37 am | Comment

I Think Environmental Protection in China Today Is Much Worse Than Before

I believe that during the command economy era of Mao Zedong, Chinese citizens had very environmental-friendly lifestyles. Of course, you may say “But the Chinese people were much poorer back than, the society could not produce anything! Of course they had environmental friendly lifestyles! ”

Well yes, Chinese people back then were indeed poorer. For example, today, we usually take one shower every few days, and therefore waste a lot of water, and water is an unrenewable resource on the planet. Back in the 60′s, many Chinese family in the countryside would go to a local stream, and collect a few buckets of water, and use that water for weeks. Even when I was a child, we used to take bathes only twice a month, and the bathe water is used repeatedly. I would bath first, then my parents, then my grand parents, in the same pool of water. As a result, the Chinese society was a much better water-conserving society than today. Similarly, today there are so many cars and planes in China, using a much higher level of gasoline on the planet.

Another major reason that contributed to a healthy environment back then was that the Chinese people were very unmotivated back then. I use the word “unmotivated” in a positive sense. That is, the Chinese people were not pressured to work hard or to increase productivity. They were very unpressured, very unmotivated. This is of course due to the command economy. In a command economy, being very productive and not so productive would not affect your career too much. So everyone lived a very peaceful, very calm life. And the managers in the factories did not have much authorities over the workers. Unlike the foreign companies today in China, the Chinese managers of all the state owned factories back then could not force their employees to work overtime or work like a slave, otherwise the workers will riot and beat their managers to deaths, as seen during the Cultural Revolution. So if someone back then was a hard worker, it was only because he was a self-ware person, and wants contribute to the productivity of the society.

So basically, in China back then, environmental friendly lifestyle was “out of necessity”, while hard work was out of “self-awareness”. That is, the Chinese people protected the environment not because they were all very self-aware, but because the people had no choice. The Chinese people worked hard not because they were forced to by their bosses, but because they were all very self-aware.

But today, in the market economy, the situation is reversed. Environmental protection became “self-aware”, while work became “necessity”.

Now, a lot of you will undoubtedly say that “the command economy is failure”, and one of the reasons you use is that: “you cannot depend on human “self-awareness” to work. You cannot count on the workers wanting to contribute to the society to work hard, you must design a system so they’ll work hard out of necessity.”. That’s the main reason you say the command economy is a failure.

So to use that logic, in today’s world, environmental protection depends on “self-awareness”. While working hard depends on “necessity”. If that’s the case, then the environmental protection efforts will probably fail in this system. There’s no pressure for people to protect the environment, so why would people do it? Will people be jailed for driving big SUV’s, for showering too often, for using the A/C too long?

What is a true environmental protectionist? A true environmental protectionist should not ever bathe, or at least bathe only once a month, and live strictly the lives of a Chinese citizen during the 60′s. That is, reduce car usage, walk more or bike more, and never take airplanes. Do not buy new clothes until your old ones are completely worn out and unwearable. Do not use any perfume, any lipstisck, any diamond, any leather, etc.

Furthermore, another reason the environmental protection efforts today will fail is because: the main mechanism behind the market economy is “haggling over the price”. But one party is missing from this “haggling”. That party is Nature. Nature produced water, oil, minerals, air, etc. Yet he is not compensated over the usage of these products by humans. If Nature had a mind, he would send a representative to negotiate with humans and would not accept such waste of these resources today. Another missing party is the future generation. They also have a right to negotiate over how to use these resources, so they’ll have some left over later.

Without these two negotiators, of course we would use our resources without worry, because no one is pressuring us to do otherwise, just like no one in the command economy would pressure a worker to work hard.

Of course, common science tells us that it’s impossible for us to continue such wasteful use of energy resources, if we continue this trend, one day, our own survival will become the pressure for us to protect the environment. One day, we’ll be so limited in our resources that we are forced to live the lives of a Chinese citizen in the 60′s. Of course once that day of “resource nearing depletion” comes, there’ll be huge conflicts in the human societies about our lifestyle and our economic structure. I predict that there’ll be a massive world war in which half of the world population may be destroyed. After that war, there’ll be unified world in which the command economy will be practiced everywhere, just like during Mao’s time in China. Under this command economy, environmental protection will again depend on “necessity”, while working hard will depend on “self-awareness”. Of course, in this future command economy, our lifestyles will not be as “good” and “comfortable” as it is today, people will not be as “rich”. There’ll be no cosmetics for women, no fashion brands, no advertisements on TV, no fancy cars, very limited electricity usage, limited internet usage, etc. But personally, I prefer that kind of a world.

July 28, 2007 @ 12:02 pm | Comment

Math, would you say that the CCP is planning this world war blow out and it is looking forward to having all those people die from pollution and warring, so that after the deaths of all those troublesome thinking minds, the CCP will reign over the earth?

It seems to me that the CCP is eager to kill off the Chinese population, mainly those who have thinking minds (those who were born before 1940 and know the truth of CCP evilness).

Would you say this is what the CCP has in mind math?

July 28, 2007 @ 12:17 pm | Comment

“I believe that during the command economy era of Mao Zedong, Chinese citizens had very environmental-friendly lifestyles. ”

Except for the highly wasteful GLF, which also finished off the Yellow River region’s forest.

Other than that, Snow hits it right on the head.

July 28, 2007 @ 4:10 pm | Comment

“Math, would you say that the CCP is planning this world war blow out and it is looking forward to having all those people die from pollution and warring, so that after the deaths of all those troublesome thinking minds, the CCP will reign over the earth?

It seems to me that the CCP is eager to kill off the Chinese population, mainly those who have thinking minds (those who were born before 1940 and know the truth of CCP evilness).

Would you say this is what the CCP has in mind math?”

Uh, don’t be a fucking idiot.

July 28, 2007 @ 5:08 pm | Comment

@ Stuart – whatever. I didn’t deny there was any pollution in Beijing, just said I never notice it, probably because “I don’t live there but visit about once a year” and so “maybe [I'm] just lucky”.

July 28, 2007 @ 6:25 pm | Comment

@ferins:

Math’s conspiracy theory makes sense because of the huge economic baggage of so many old people, and the CCP has never shown any hesitation towards killing alot of people.

July 29, 2007 @ 9:30 am | Comment

At least you can see some of what’s killing you in the air. We all inhale, absorb, eat, and drink minute quantities of hundreds of toxins every day. There is a synergic effect to this cocktail of toxins that adversely affects our bodies. The toxins do accumulate in cells and cause even irreparable damage to our DNA, which is inherited by our children and grandchildren. I learned this in a book called “The Hundred Year Lie” by Randall Fitzgerald. The book is alarmist from the first to the last page but with good reason. Fitzgerald backs all his assertions about how pollution all around us is damaging our health with published research and news reports. Some of the junk we dump into the environment remains for decades and shows up in the bloodstreams of children born after its use was discontinued. Ubiquitous plastics are a common source of toxins absorbed or ingested by the body. You can’t control the air you breathe, but you can control what you eat, wear, and use. A few friendly suggestions:

1. Use glass, not plastic for storing food, especially moist or oily foods. Glass is inert and does not react chemically with food.

2. Cook with stainless steel or cast iron, not Teflon. Even the corporate ho FDA is finally acknowledging that Teflon may cause cancer.

3. Minimize use of cosmetics and personal care products. They are loaded with chemicals that have never been tested for safety and are absorbed through the skin.

4. Keep showers short and don’t use hot water. Chemicals in the water are easily absorbed through the skin.

5. Use natural cleansers, disinfectants, and stain removers like hydrogen peroxide and vinegar.

6. Eat a plant-based, lowfat diet. The higher up the food chain, the more toxins are accumulated in the animal’s tissues, which are passed on to you, the consumer. Eat more non-starch veggies and less fruit. Fruit is more heavily sprayed and veggies are higher in nutrients and anti-oxidants that denature toxins and repair cell damage.

It is impossible to eliminate every toxic source, but you can reduce your exposure, and that really helps. It’s the accumulation and synergic overload that overwhelm the body’s natural defense and repair systems.

July 29, 2007 @ 11:32 am | Comment

Per capita, the US emits five times the amount of CO2 than China.

This year, for the first time in the past 200 years, China may become the leading CO2 emitter among all countries, even surpassing the world’s worst CO2 polluter: the US.

The question is who is responsible for the past 200 years of CO2 emissions, 90%+ by the west ? Global warming damage is a result of accumulation of CO2 in the atmosphere over the past 200 years- even if China does surpass the US this year, China has no responsibility to fix the problem- it didn’t create it.

OK. Seriously. I’m not saying China does not need to do something about CO2 emissions. All governments need to act in unison to resolve this issue. My point is if you want to play the blame game (which is what a lot of posters here love to do), you’ll lose. The more you play the blame game instead of living up to problems you yourself caused, the more we as humans are screwed.

If the criminals don’t take the first step at atoning for their crimes, China certainly won’t. If the criminals do take the first step and China does not follow, then shame on China.

July 29, 2007 @ 11:15 pm | Comment

Second what Will said. Blaming another country for GLOBAL pollution issues is fundamentally misguided. Indeed, blaming other countries and unfairly focusing the spotlight on them (rather than quietly nudging them to action) often has the ill effect of making cooperation harder, rather than easier, to obtain. And in the end, everyone suffers for that.

July 30, 2007 @ 12:17 am | Comment

will and t_co:

You two are way out of your league on this one. All you can do for China is say “well, others do it too, and the west has been doing it for longer”. Well, China has been clear cutting its forests and mining/burning coal for thousands of years. So how do you like them apples? It was China that cultivated the Black Plague which spread to Europe as well.

Now let’s move on to other more substantial pollutants. Taking a large mammal or any large animal to extinction is a difficult thing to do, and yet even when you factor in the european hunters in Africa and S. Asia, China managed to go from having an abundance of “bai jing” dolphins around 1985 to none today. 22 years!

Hooray for progress. The only comparable situation in the US was with the California condor and the bald eagle. But such mundane things as freedom of the press, freedom of speech, a separate and powerful judiciary through which to petition the gov’t to redress grievances as well as a more civic minded society spared them. I’m very certain there such stories in Europe as well.

It is those incidents and mechanisms that spared those and many other species which does give the West the moral authority to lecture China while at the same time try to help China.

But China doesn’t want help (and certainly too thin skinned to accept any lecturing, they are the guardians of heaven after all). China wants and demands high technology and money.

Have Will and t_co seen the sandstorm pics from space? China is dumping toxic sand on Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington and California. Metals, organic chemicals, fungi, viruses and bacteria. That is what we get in addition to low quality, low priced junk (that is itself polluted).

China’s filthy waters, so bad they are toxic to human skin, ooze out to all of China’s neighbors (take a look at the algea bloom which has covered 1/2 of the Bohai Sea).
China wastes its precious resources due to slop, incompetence, corruption and carelessness, then it turns around and claims Anaruchal Pradesh in India as “South Tibet” because the deep and clean Brahmaputra river flows through it.

Now defend China.

On top of that, according to China’s lone green hero, Pan Yue, China uses 7 times as much energy as Japan and the EU, 6 times as much as the US and 4 times as much as India to produce the same dollar of GDP.

Again, defend China now.

As for CO2 emissions, our economy is also 5 times larger than China’s.

July 30, 2007 @ 5:58 am | Comment

Nanhe- sorry, wouldn’t waste any time on you. Anyone sincere: I’ll take the rebuttal.

July 30, 2007 @ 2:39 pm | Comment

http://earthtrends.wri.org/text/energy-resources/variable-668.html

231 China, 221 US, 189 India. 153? Japan. 280′s Eastern Europe.

In 1990 China was at 500 though, yikes.

China does want help though, they accept it from Japan and Denmark pretty readily. They should express more appreciation to Japan though, despite the bad history.

Preferably if the Three Links are opened up with China, Taiwanese people will be able to get a better foothold in China and hopefully their operations will be more efficient and ethical. Having access to Chinese tourists and students should also help moderate their stance somewhat.

“As for CO2 emissions, our economy is also 5 times larger than China’s.”

No, it isn’t. PPP matters in this case, the artifical value of green papers as compared to the artificial value of some red ones doesn’t dictate energy/output ratios. Either that or get Congress to stop bitching about “at least 40% undervalued” yuan.

July 30, 2007 @ 2:50 pm | Comment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extinct_animals

China has 6. Europe has 24938502345248092438532

July 30, 2007 @ 3:10 pm | Comment

Will:

Your cowardice is disgusting, Richard should rebuke you on this site for making false proclamations then not being able to back them up.

ferins:

Good link, India’s is probably lower due to less economic development. Japan is notoriously energy efficient since they have little access to resources in their own territory (and disputed territories). Look how small their cars are.

But as for that PPP BS, I”m not an economist or finance expert, but PPP isn’t reliable when you consider the high rate of injuries, fatalities and sickness that chinese workers suffer due to shoddy working conditions and yes, the bad air, food and water.

China’s economy wouldn’t be so export dependent if 1 billion people had real buying power. As it is, I think the number is 100 million and their buying power tops out at decent appliances and a domestic car.

July 30, 2007 @ 3:32 pm | Comment

well PPP just calculates how much the country produces; the fact that a lot of workers get fed through the meatgrinder is already represented in the statistic in lost wages/output because of death and injury, etc.

July 30, 2007 @ 4:30 pm | Comment

PPP comes across as minutiae. And my tap water is completely safe.

July 31, 2007 @ 12:01 am | Comment

PPP comes across as minutiae. And my tap water is safer than your bottled water.

July 31, 2007 @ 12:01 am | Comment

lol, PPP isn’t “minutiae”, it measures living standards and what actually is produced.

“And my tap water is safer than your bottled water.”

But you’re still fat.

July 31, 2007 @ 4:09 am | Comment

You can only factor in PPP when you have solid statistics and reliable economic calculations. In the PRC (aka land of make-believe), the average GDP of all of China’s provinces usually exceeds Beijing’s GDP number by a full percentage point.

So China’s numbers are about as clear as the Yangtze river.

And I’m much more fit than you, skinny net bar boy.
Or are you a “spider man”?

July 31, 2007 @ 5:46 am | Comment

Like I said, then tell Congress to plug their collective manginas about “40% undervalued yuan”.

Or tell the IMF to stop evaluating the yuan at 1.8:1 to the dollar.

So either the solid statistics are there or Congress, the IMF, CIA and World Bank are full of idiots.

July 31, 2007 @ 6:07 am | Comment

“PPP comes across as minutiae. And my tap water is safer than your bottled water.

In North America, tap water is safer than bottle water, period. Seriously. Tap water must meet stricter purity standards than bottled water. I use reverse osmosis filtered water myself.

July 31, 2007 @ 7:31 am | Comment

In fairness, some amount of China’s pollution is “outsourced” to China from the west and elsewhere.

When manufacturing jobs left “there” to come “here”, they brought along their attendant smokestacks and drainage pipes, along with their water and electricity demands.

It would be very interesting to see what percentage of China’s pollution is caused by the manufacture of products consumed elsewhere.

July 31, 2007 @ 10:15 pm | Comment

“In fairness, some amount of China’s pollution is “outsourced” to China from the west and elsewhere.”

If China effectively and uniformly enforced its pollution laws, there wouldn’t be such a problem from foreign or domestic factories to begin with. The consensus with senior environmental people is that it is too late for China, China is dead and doesn’t know it.

August 1, 2007 @ 12:07 am | Comment

China refuses to face the music:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China_Business/IH01Cb02.html

August 1, 2007 @ 4:33 am | Comment

“The consensus with senior environmental people”

Are these the same senior experts that are telling you how many species China has wiped out relative to Europe and that Hong Kong’s economy should have collapsed by this year?

“China refuses to face the music:”

There’s a difference between withholding information from the public and not dealing with the problem. They’re accepting environmental aid from Japan, for one.

August 1, 2007 @ 3:17 pm | Comment

“Are these the same senior experts that are telling you how many species China has wiped out relative to Europe and that Hong Kong’s economy should have collapsed by this year?”

I don’t work with economic experts, but HK has been reduced as a city as the mainland fungus creeps in and ruins this once great city. As for how many species Europe has wiped out, in what time frame? Europe did enact environmental standards to protect species and enforced them, unlike China, which just mouths the right words and does nothing substantial.

“There’s a difference between withholding information from the public and not dealing with the problem. They’re accepting environmental aid from Japan, for one.”

And China is doing both, withholding info and not dealing with the problem. The Japanese are giving aid away as a form of apology for Nanjing just like the $30 billion USD in low interest loans that China has received as an apology since Mao refused outright cash compensation.

And Japanese environmental technology is not being used, it is being resold or “regifted” to other less wealthy nations.

August 2, 2007 @ 5:36 am | Comment

ferins,

Would you have believed it if someone told you what Hitler was planning?

Genocide is usually for power. The CCP craves power on a level that is just almost unbelievable.

Powers use genocide to elliminate perceived threats to their power, and sure there are other reasons…

What I suggest is not unbelievable. The CCP wants to “genocide” anyone who can tell (or is interested in telling) apart truth from lies. People in China as well as outside who have ethical beliefs are considered subversive to the regime. The regime needs people to accept it’s evilness in order to not have to end up be called to accounts. If people know the truth and do not accept it’s evilness that is considered subversive to the rigime.

So that’s why I think that the CCP intends to genocide anyone who doesnt accept it. Of course I don’t think it will work cause they’re loose bags… But… I do believe they see that as their only way to survive.

Genocide is maybe hard to believe but people do that, for their own benefit, they will disregard human life and all things just to “save face” or at least to guard their position.

Why do you think they re so secretive?

August 3, 2007 @ 11:48 pm | Comment

China is accepting aid from Japan, of couse they are, thats money and face saving. The CCP will accept any money that will help it scam.

August 3, 2007 @ 11:50 pm | Comment

THE EVIL REGIME!!! THE EVIL REGIME!!! THE EVIL REGIME!!! THE EVIL REGIME!!! THE EVIL REGIME!!! THE EVIL REGIME!!! THE EVIL REGIME!!! THE EVIL REGIME!!! THE EVIL REGIME!!! THE EVIL REGIME!!! THE EVIL REGIME!!! THE EVIL REGIME!!!

Do you just do this for brownie points from some conspiracy theorist clique of weirdos you fell in with?

I mean even in the CCP there are people like Bo Xibo who have had family murdered by Red Guards.

If someone asks you “what are you going to do about it” and your answer is spam the internet I’m thinking you should look into other ways of changing things.

By the way China is not Hitler or Nazi Germany.

August 4, 2007 @ 11:16 am | Comment

Bo Xilai**

Got him mixed up with his dad :P

August 4, 2007 @ 11:18 am | Comment

I fail to detewct any points of logic in your comment Ferins. Maybe a little less emotions and more rationality would make more sense.

What I said about the CCP wanting to genocide people who have strong minds is my own understanding. Genocide happens and it happens like this, as I said up there. You have not countered my points ferins, you just try to say I’m not legitomate, but, well, why ?

Bo Xilai is evil by the way, maybe having his family tortured so much turned him into a monster, in any case he is responsible for a lot of torture and murder.

If you don’t believe it fine, but saying China is not Germany is a very rediculous argumant against my point man. Yeah, you’re right, China is not Germany, sorry to be condiscending there but, like, I know that, that’s why it’s a comparison eh.

Maybe I just have a different insight than you, a ifferent view, perspective, you don’t think the regime is evil, well, you don’t know what I know. You think I would make this up for some non existent points? Why would I do that? Think about it, geez.

And by the way I agree with you that talking a bunch on the peking duck is not the solution, I ought to tell people in a different way, but I havint done my best really… Anyway, check out what spamming means, you got it wrong.

August 5, 2007 @ 10:34 am | Comment

Ferins,

How come you say that people in the party have had their families murdered by the regime as though theres some kind of excuse in that? Does’t that go to prove the evilness?

August 5, 2007 @ 10:38 am | Comment

Maybe I just have prejudice against pseudo-Christian cults and the idiots that follow them, but I wouldn’t consider Falun Gong a group with strong minds.

That at least proves China is irrational, because exterminating one religious group while sparing some others doesn’t really seem to have any rhyme or reason about it.

For one, don’t accuse me of being emotional. Bandying around loaded terms like “regime” and “genocide” are overly simplistic. I also wonder where you get the inside information telling you Bo Xilai is evil or linking him to torture, because I’d like to take a look for myself.

August 5, 2007 @ 6:36 pm | Comment

http://www.consciencefoundation.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=87&Itemid=52

Heres a link to the story of his being served a suit for torture…

I hope you are not so brainwashed that you would think that toirturing, nurdering, and treating F G practitioners like vermon is justifiable. I think a lot of Chinese have been made to think that way and that’s why this has been carrying on so strongly. There are waaaaay to many people like you (no offence) who have no conscience and feel nothing for people who are treated so badly.

I’m not implying that I know you ferins, maybe you are a good person, but all Im trying to do is help tell people about something they ought to care about, how come instead of supporting me you like put me down so hard?

Genocide, regime, mafia, murder, torture, hey Im sorry to break it to you so “simply” but these are the facts on CCP.

August 6, 2007 @ 5:52 am | Comment

http://www.consciencefoundation.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=87&Itemid=52

Heres a link to the story of his being served a suit for torture…

I hope you are not so brainwashed that you would think that toirturing, nurdering, and treating F G practitioners like vermon is justifiable. I think a lot of Chinese have been made to think that way and that’s why this has been carrying on so strongly. There are waaaaay to many people like you (no offence) who have no conscience and feel nothing for people who are treated so badly.

I’m not implying that I know you ferins, maybe you are a good person, but all Im trying to do is help tell people about something they ought to care about, how come instead of supporting me you like put me down so hard?

Genocide, regime, mafia, murder, torture, hey Im sorry to break it to you so “simply” but these are the facts on CCP.

August 6, 2007 @ 5:54 am | Comment

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