To Our Chinese Readers (reposting)

NOTE: This was posted last month, but will be reposted periodically.

近来有人散布关于北京烤鸭的一些流言蜚语,我觉得有必要澄清一下.

我非常欢迎大家来我的网站浏览,讨论各种话题并留下自己的意见或建议.我希望能提供一个宽松愉快的环境,可以让大家自由发表言论。有许多中国人、Bingfeng, Bing, Henry, Steve, Hui Mao, Jing, JR, Lin, Yi, etc。曾经或至今仍住在中国的外国人,都在我的网站留下了他们对中国的印象、意见及建议。

一些人爱中国一些人则相反,这是不争的事实,但我相信所有来这个网站的人都非常关心并愿意了解中国的真实情况。比如我,我曾经对中国政府的某些政策及做法有相当大的意见,也曾经批评过美国政府及总统,当然这都是按照一个美国人的思维方式进行的,因此我无比欢迎大家来此发表各种不同的见解。请大家关注我的网页左边的内容,里面刊登我自认为所写的最好的文章,它们记录了我在不同时段对中国政府、中国人民及中国社会的不同认识和理解,它们都是我的真实感受,流露了一个美国人对中国的真诚情感。

任何不同见解我都会洗耳恭听,同时也希望大家能理智、冷静地对待不同意见,北京烤鸭不是让某些人发泄私愤的场所,请勿对他人进行人身攻击或做出任何侮辱性的行为。

再一次感谢大家对北京烤鸭的关注及支持,你们在,就是我的动力所在!

The Discussion: 228 Comments

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July 26, 2005 @ 8:33 pm | Comment

hao zhu yi!

(it wouldn’t display in Chinese for some reason).

July 26, 2005 @ 8:35 pm | Comment

Thanks Gordon. And so everyone knows, this transaltion of an earlier post was done by commenter Martyn, to whom I owe a debt of gratitude.

July 26, 2005 @ 8:39 pm | Comment

It’s a good translation. Only a few expressions that are not very idomatic. But they didn’t affect the content of the message that you are trying to convey. So congratulations to Martyn.

July 26, 2005 @ 8:51 pm | Comment

I can’t read Japanese.

July 26, 2005 @ 9:30 pm | Comment

Oh Xena, Japanese writing is just like Chinese, except Japanese still needs to apologize.

July 26, 2005 @ 10:04 pm | Comment

Ivan, that is very funny. I think the point is the diplamatic apology not so much individual apology. That is my opinion. Individuals should be served without apology at resturants.

July 26, 2005 @ 10:35 pm | Comment

CQ,We apologize 17 times since 1973. How many more time you want?

July 26, 2005 @ 10:46 pm | Comment

Chinese Queen,
Nice to see you here. Yes I was joking, but I’ll also tell you that as an American (and son of a WW II veteran) I also have some grievances against Japan’s overall failure to face the full truth of its history.
On the other hand, some of us Westerners think it’s a bit hypocritical for the CCP to carry on complaining about Japan’s insufficient apologies, when the CCP has never apologized for killing more Chinese people than the Japanese ever did.
30 million Chinese died of starvation in Mao’s Great Leap Forward, and the CCP says Mao was “70 percent correct.” So, he was 30 percent “mistaken”, and 30 million is 30 percent of 100 million. Alright, so, I suppose that means that if Mao was NINETY percent correct, then he ONLY would have killed TEN million people in the Great Leap Forward?
How many more millions of dead would it take, to get an apology from the CCP to the People of China?

July 26, 2005 @ 11:11 pm | Comment

And I’m still waiting for an official “Thanks” from the CCP to America, to thank us for defeating Japan and then occupying Japan and keeping Japan under control for the last 60 years.
America has kept China safe from Japan since 1945, so why doesn’t China thank us for protecting China from Japan?……. ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚

July 26, 2005 @ 11:17 pm | Comment

PS, to any Chinese who read my prior comments here:
Seriously, I have the highest respect for ALL Chinese who fought, as America’s allies, against the Japanese fascists.

July 26, 2005 @ 11:19 pm | Comment

Ivan ,Opposite of apology is THANK YOU!

July 26, 2005 @ 11:39 pm | Comment

“CQ,We apologize 17 times since 1973. How many more time you want?

Posted by Japanese Man at July 26, 2005 10:46 PM”

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you forget the latest one by the japanese minister who says –

“all sex slaves of WWII should be proud of what they did for japanese soldiers”.

it is always the latest “apology” that makes the previous ones become a piece of shit.

bye bye, japarican man

July 27, 2005 @ 12:14 am | Comment

I guess we know how you FEEL about this subject. Take a big breath and tell us what you THINK.

July 27, 2005 @ 12:30 am | Comment

Yep, none of that hypocritical shit Jap apologizing for China:

An elderly group of women known as the “Tiananmen mothers”, whose children were massacred in the suppression of democracy protests here 15 years ago, have been told they are unlikely ever to hear any official words of regret.

Last Monday, a senior official representing the Chinese Government went to the home of the group’s leader, Professor Ding Zilin, 67, and told her and her husband, Jiang Peijun, that their children were counterrevolutionaries and that an apology for the June 4, 1989, crackdown was “out of the question”.

July 27, 2005 @ 1:35 am | Comment

How sweet that things are evolving here.

July 27, 2005 @ 1:38 am | Comment

“How sweet that things are evolving here.

Posted by Xena Phobia at July 27, 2005 01:38 AM”

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everytime Amerika Mann appears, things start to get sweeter and sweeter

July 27, 2005 @ 2:06 am | Comment

So what does it say?

July 27, 2005 @ 2:23 am | Comment

ivan,
in a way, i understand what you mean, and your remarks do make sense to some extent. but, i do not agree with you. Mao did kill many with his dictatorship ploy and crazy political ambition to fix himself on the top. however he himself, i believe, did not want to see the country driving mad to the doomsday, even though his conduct really almost destroyed the country. But, Japanese wanted to kill us. They did, they meant to do that. With emotion, i can not accept your comprison between the two massacres. Without emotion, i feel the number of death in the two catastrophes can not make them equel.

July 27, 2005 @ 2:26 am | Comment

Woodentown,I am glad you are rational about this subject.Nobody here agrees with the Japanese who committed these atrocities.Most Japanese don’t agree.I think that’s the point.It’s time to move on.It’s time to grow up. Also, Comparing genocides is a waste of time.Nobody’s hands are clean.

July 27, 2005 @ 2:40 am | Comment

Hi Ellen, it’s a translation of an earlier post (in English) with the same title a bit further down TPD front page. I had to change a few things but the meaning remains the same. Thanks.

July 27, 2005 @ 3:19 am | Comment

By the way, Fat Cat, thanks very much for your comments. I deliberately tried to retain as much of the compassion and open honesty that was so apparent in the English version.

July 27, 2005 @ 5:38 am | Comment

bingfeng,

“all sex slaves of WWII should be proud of what they did for japanese soldiers”.

Where does this statement come from? I fnd it very hard to believe that a Japanese minister use the term “sex slave” in his statement. I smell deliberate manipulation here.

Most of comfort women were making a hundred to two hundred times more than a foot soldier’s salary. We don’t call those people with extremely high salary “slave.” It is well documented by the U.S. military, which happens to be in agreement with our knowledge.

July 27, 2005 @ 6:52 am | Comment

Soudenjapan,Da Muckraker! Kudo’s. Ya don’t fool me.But it’s true if your gettin’ paid….

July 27, 2005 @ 7:08 am | Comment

bingfeng,

This is the only similar information I could locate on the net.
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I just saw this in news. One Japanese student said that the comfort women should feel proud of what they did.
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I really need to know your source. I am not suggesting that you are trying to mislead others. You could’ve been misled yourself. I just want to get to the source where you learned the information. Some unfair people may be attempting to sitimulate hate against the Japanese.

July 27, 2005 @ 7:35 am | Comment

Nah, Why would ANYONE do that? To stop ALL thinking? To hold on to power? To make alotta money?Nah.You’re just bein’ paranoid.

July 27, 2005 @ 7:41 am | Comment

Xena Phobia,

Why don’t you check this out?

http://www.exordio.com/1939-1945/codex/Documentos/report-49-USA-orig.html

July 27, 2005 @ 7:48 am | Comment

BingFeng,In the West, sending yourself letters is considered weird.But this IS China so who’s to judge.

July 27, 2005 @ 7:50 am | Comment

Xena Phobia,

So what happened to the salary thing? Could you get to the website?

July 27, 2005 @ 7:58 am | Comment

Soudenjapan,I have no idea what you’re talking about.Please spell it out for me.

July 27, 2005 @ 8:11 am | Comment

martyn, nice chinese, congratulations.

i think i need to improve my mother language now.

July 27, 2005 @ 8:14 am | Comment

Xena Phobia,

The issue of comfort women’s salary.

July 27, 2005 @ 8:19 am | Comment

I originally thought that it was translated by some Chinese with Chinese as first language. Indeed it is very good translation.

July 27, 2005 @ 8:28 am | Comment

Soudenjapan,I can’t get that here soo…….

July 27, 2005 @ 8:31 am | Comment

bingfeng,

I have visited your website several times. I thought that you were a resonalble person though you heavily criticize the Japanese government, which is perfectly fine for you to do, anybody to do for that matter.

I hope that you don’t disappoint me because I still trust in your integrity.

July 27, 2005 @ 8:37 am | Comment

Bingfeng,I told you not to write to yourself.It’s bad form.(IN the west)

July 27, 2005 @ 8:39 am | Comment

Japanese Man,

โ€œWe apologize 17 times since 1973. How many more time you want?โ€

Just continue doing it whenever the occasions rise.

July 27, 2005 @ 8:42 am | Comment

Xena Phobia,

>Soudenjapan,I can’t get that here soo…….

Sorry, I don’t get what you are trying to say. It is a English problem. Would you paraphrase your comment for me?

July 27, 2005 @ 8:43 am | Comment

‘GOOD TRY’

July 27, 2005 @ 8:47 am | Comment

LW,

>Just continue doing it whenever the occasions rise.

I’m not him but I saw your post. Your suggestion is certainly one of options the Japanese government should pay attention to, thouth the Japanese may select other options as they wish.

July 27, 2005 @ 8:52 am | Comment

Xena Phobia,

So you now agree with me that most of comfort women were running highly paid lucrative business?

July 27, 2005 @ 8:58 am | Comment

SJ,IF you are indeed a Jap,you’re not welcome here.Your food is too fine,women too kind, and restaurants too clean.We don’t need your humble,racist adviceBe-gone now and forever……… your movies,technology,wealth and grace will twinkle in our eyes.I hate you. WE really do.No kidding.We’re NOT jealous at all…………………………..

July 27, 2005 @ 9:00 am | Comment

SJ,Why should I suddenly agree with you?Give US proof.Ya Know it’s in the Puddin”

July 27, 2005 @ 9:02 am | Comment

BTW, SJ, My dead Grammy’s got an anti-Chinese blog.

July 27, 2005 @ 9:08 am | Comment

Xena Phobia,
It looks like there is no Xena in Japan. Maybe you should move and settled there.

July 27, 2005 @ 9:08 am | Comment

Xena Phobia,

I don’t know what part of the document you are having problem with, but take a look at this. What do you think?

They lived in near-luxury in Burma in comparison to other places. This was especially true of their second year in Burma. They lived well because their food and material was not heavily rationed and they had plenty of money with which to purchase desired articles. They were able to buy cloth, shoes, cigarettes, and cosmetics to supplement the many gifts given to them by soldiers who had received “comfort bags” from home.

July 27, 2005 @ 9:15 am | Comment

Xena Phobia,

Or like this one. Documentation by an American officer.
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The “house master” received fifty to sixty per cent of the girls’ gross earnings depending on how much of a debt each girl had incurred when she signed her contract. This meant that in an average month a girl would gross about fifteen hundred yen. She turned over seven hundred and fifty to the “master”. Many “masters” made life very difficult for the girls by charging them high prices for food and other articles.
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July 27, 2005 @ 9:18 am | Comment

As attractive as that sounds, I’m not so sure,other than my younger sister,that my family would be so kindly receptive to such a small offering.

July 27, 2005 @ 9:19 am | Comment

Hey,it sound’s like modern China.Come on.The world is here.But the numbers are a little low.More like 99.5% of the wages go to Master.

July 27, 2005 @ 9:22 am | Comment

By the way I’m not an anti-Chinese or anti-Korean. I happen to like them both very much.

July 27, 2005 @ 9:23 am | Comment

Should I offer to shake your hand for not hatin’ someone? Get on with your life.

July 27, 2005 @ 9:29 am | Comment

Xena Phobia,

Yes, that’s how they paid back their family debt. Many of comfort stations or prostitution houses were run by Korean masters. Here’s another part.

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In the latter part of 1943 the Army issued orders that certain girls who had paid their debt could return home. Some of the girls were thus allowed to return to Korea.
_________________________

If you copy and paste a phrase from the documentation and google it, the search engine will turn the document up for you so that you can read the whole description.

July 27, 2005 @ 9:32 am | Comment

Xena Phobia,

This is not about Chinese or Korean. This is about your view on comfort women.
So what do you think about them? Do you agree with me now?

July 27, 2005 @ 9:34 am | Comment

Well, now that you’ve brought in the KOREAN equation.I’m all for it.I personally am only against the Chinese thing.I don’t care about anyone except the Chinese (widely supported here)as you well know by now.Let’s party.Do they look at ALL like Lucy Lee?

July 27, 2005 @ 9:43 am | Comment

And to all our Korean viewers……….Sh$t when I havta go to Inchon again………I’ll be civilized.

July 27, 2005 @ 9:49 am | Comment

Xena Phobia,

>SJ,IF you are indeed a Jap,you’re not welcome here.

I missed this one. Don’t worry about this. I am not a Jap. Am I welcome now? Thank you.

July 27, 2005 @ 9:50 am | Comment

Philipinos are welcome too!

July 27, 2005 @ 9:53 am | Comment

Xena Phobia,

As I said, Chinese, Korean do not matter. I am simply asking for your view on comfort women. It is simple. Do you agree with me or not? If not, why not? You want to disaree? That is fine, you know.

July 27, 2005 @ 9:57 am | Comment

I think i agree with you.

July 27, 2005 @ 9:58 am | Comment

And what about Philipino’s?

July 27, 2005 @ 9:59 am | Comment

To Japanese men

“We have apologized for 17 times, why is still not enough?” to answer you question: oh, yeah, you have apologized, but why your Koizimi pay tribute to the war criminal every year. Image if German president visit Hitler’s grave every year. just like a rapist saying sorry after rape a women, but then he go on to insult that women again, how this rapist’s “sorry” sounds to you. dear Japanese man?

July 27, 2005 @ 10:08 am | Comment

Did you go to a Chinese school? Look on the wall!

July 27, 2005 @ 10:14 am | Comment

ko

Don’t play guitar to cows.

July 27, 2005 @ 10:15 am | Comment

Xena Phobia,

Sorry, I don’t know anything about Philipinos. I know a little about Indonesians. But not much.

If you are talking about whether there were decieved and terribly abused women among comfort women, the answer must be yes. Men abuse women today, they must have done so 65 years ago. Murder? There must have been. It happens today. Those women must be identified and compensated.

July 27, 2005 @ 10:23 am | Comment

soudenjapan, are you trying to have a conversation with “Xena Phobia”, the guy who usually calls himself “American Man”?
don’t. he’s the court jester, the clown. except without the smarts. kind of like a tolerated tame troll.

July 27, 2005 @ 10:31 am | Comment

my goodness, I thought Richard don’t understand Chinese…
Haha, beautiful post! Next time I can use Chinese to curse….. ๐Ÿ˜›

July 27, 2005 @ 11:08 am | Comment

No insulting of cows here please. They are a grateful and intelligent audience.
Tip: Try Ramones, they love it.

July 27, 2005 @ 12:55 pm | Comment

In China perhaps Zui Jian. They are real rockers.

July 27, 2005 @ 12:57 pm | Comment

That’s not an insult to cows, but one to the player.

What is Zui Jian?

July 27, 2005 @ 1:50 pm | Comment

Sorry, Cui Jian is the better pinyin.

July 27, 2005 @ 1:54 pm | Comment

Ha. Another version of the idiom, my students taught me, is “don’t bother playing piano for the donkeys”.

There’s a similar expression in America: “Don’t wrestle with a pig: you just get dirty, and the pig likes it!”

July 27, 2005 @ 5:46 pm | Comment

To KO and others-

Don’t Chinese people and leaders visit Mao’s Mausoleum as well? How is that different from visiting a shrine in Japan? Both, in their own way, provide a means to give respect to murderers, wartime (can there be a war crime? or is war the crime?) or not…

July 27, 2005 @ 6:13 pm | Comment

Personally, I prefer the Chinese band Pan Gu, otherwise known as Punk God Orchestra.

July 27, 2005 @ 7:41 pm | Comment

Japanese history revisionists are evil.
Chinese communist history revisionists are evil.
They are all EEEEVIL.

BTW, moving one’s mouth to apologize is cheap, let’s see some action.

July 27, 2005 @ 8:41 pm | Comment

请大家关注我的网页左边的内容

Please everyone pay attention to my left-handed content? I’m assuming you mean left-wing content i.e. 左派. Though in Taiwan I’ve seen liberal (in terms of US politics) translated as 自由派 as well.

July 28, 2005 @ 5:03 am | Comment

I’ll take American tut-tutting about Japan’s failure to recognize its past more seriously after Americans declare FDR and Truman to be class A war criminals. Compare their crimes with Tojo’s and FDR/Truman come out worse.

During WW2, FDR, commander-in-chief, purposely targeted civilian populations as a matter of policy, murdering 300,000 civilians in a few days in Dresden, 100,000 civilians in Tokyo and Truman made the decision to make the US the only country on earth ever to use nuclear weapons, both times against a defeated, unarmed civilian population (120,000 dead).

Not to mention the concentration camps on US soil, holding 125,000 US citizens who hadn’t committed any crimes.

Yet, inexplicably, both Truman and FDR are honored in Washington by American politicians who obviously haven’t faced up to their country’s past crimes against humanity.

July 28, 2005 @ 5:07 am | Comment

Let’s hope that Japan keep its current course and go even further. Their act will benefit all sides.

For Japanese, they get spiritual satisfaction. For his neighbours, they always get things to bitch about and a chance to tarnish Japanese brands.

A caveat for Japanese neighbours. Be careful of what you wish for. You guys can bitch about, but should make sure Japan will not change its current course.

July 28, 2005 @ 5:39 am | Comment

Tojo, the US detention camps are a shameful stainin US history,m but how many died or were hurt in those camps compared to the Japanese, German and Russian camps? Precious few if any.

The civilian bombings were a tragedy of war, and unfortunately they occur in every war. That’s not a justification, becaiuse I don’t believe they were justified. But there needs to be some perspective. And don’t forget, they wanted war. Germany never showed too much love for civilians and they set the tone for the war, as did the Japanese. Ask our friends in Nanjing how the Japanese treated civilians.

Two wrongs never make a right. I wish we hadn’t firebombed civilian centers or dropped the A bombs. But they hardly make us the villains of this war, and only a few twisted US haters would make such a claim.

July 28, 2005 @ 7:42 am | Comment

Wayne, it’s a reference to the content in the left-hand sidebar. All the content here is left-wing, that goes without saying. ๐Ÿ™‚

July 28, 2005 @ 7:44 am | Comment

Richard, Get ahold of yourself!

Next thing you know, you’re going to be a conservative. ๐Ÿ˜›

July 28, 2005 @ 10:05 am | Comment

Japanese history revisionists are evil.
Chinese communist history revisionists are evil.
They are all EEEEVIL.

BTW, moving one’s mouth to apologize is cheap, let’s see some action.

You mean like billions of dollars in financial aid to China?

Eh, why waste their time, the Chinese will just protest and boycott them.

July 28, 2005 @ 10:12 am | Comment

Richard, by the international law of the time, the war itself was not illegal. So punishing only the leaders of defeated countries was probably to be expected, but it was a perversion of the intent of the concept of war crime tribunals.

As I understand it Tojo was executed primarily for the Rape of Nanking, in which (officially) 300,000 people were killed, and for engaging in unconventional warfare, specifically biological experiments.

So the country was not on trial here, Tojo was, for specific acts he authorized that went beyond acts of war and were war crimes.

If you think it was good and just that he was hanged for 300,000 civilian dead in Nanking and biological warfare, you should also apply the same standard to US presidents who purposely murdered 600,000 innocent civilians and engaged in nuclear warfare on civilian sites.

July 28, 2005 @ 11:34 am | Comment

Sorry, I don’t buy your reasoning one bit. The Rape of Nanjing was an invitation to commit mayhem with no strategic purpose, pure sadism and unmasked brutality. Whether or no the dropping of the A bombs was necessary (from my comfortable position of hindsite a half century later I would say it was not necessary), it was done for purposes of winning the war, not for sadistic barbarism. If you think it was a fun and easy decision, if you think it was done in the spirit of the rape of Nanjing, I’d say you’re another America hater.

I have never heard Germany or Japan call for these executions of American presidents. They were the victims. If I were hearing this from representatives of the victims or from respected voices of the international community maybe I’d take it seriously, but coming from an anonymous commenter who makes very shaky comparsons, I have to write it off as either a joke or ignorant nonsense.

July 28, 2005 @ 12:34 pm | Comment

Richard.

I’m grateful for your comment, though I think it’s totally a waste of time to argue with Ghost.

Thank you.

July 28, 2005 @ 2:28 pm | Comment

Gordon,

It’s very nice that the Japanese have been given $grants to China and many other Asian countries.

Unfortunately, they always screw it up by allowing the right-wing ultra nationalists/militarists to dicatate their internal politics and anger all the Asian countries. Spending all that money with nothing to show for. Fools.

July 28, 2005 @ 5:18 pm | Comment

Prowler … I agree, it’s awful when a country allows extremists to say dreadful and stupid things … for example, allowing senior members of your military to threaten to use nuclear weapons against another country. Shocking stuff indeed. It certainly wastes any effort to persuade others about how peacefully they’re rising …

July 29, 2005 @ 12:12 am | Comment

What’s a little nuclear weapon between friends?

July 29, 2005 @ 3:07 am | Comment

>all the Asian countries. Spending all that money with nothing to show for. Fools.

All Asians? Which all Asian countries are you referring to? They are usually Koreans and Chinese whichever country they live.

As for aid, they don’t know anything about financial aid from Japan. The governments do not tell that to the public. There is not a way to screw it up. People don’t know.

July 29, 2005 @ 5:50 am | Comment

richard,

>The Rape of Nanjing was an invitation to commit mayhem with no strategic purpose, pure sadism and unmasked brutality.

May I ask how you reach this conclusion? There are roughly three categries of views on Nanking issue. I don’t care which view they take sides with. What’s more important is how one reaches his own conclusion.

July 29, 2005 @ 5:59 am | Comment

>Japanese history revisionists are evil.

Who are Japanese revisionists? Name a person. What is he saying about history?

July 29, 2005 @ 6:03 am | Comment

Filthy Stinking No.9

That’s called psychological warfare aimed at the Americans. It’s the same reason that senator from Colorado talked about attacking Mecca.

BTW, I don’t live in China and PLA doesn’t help me a bit.

Japanese and Chinese communist history revisionists are sooo idiotic.

July 29, 2005 @ 6:34 am | Comment

japanese logic:

hey, that brick of the building has a small break, it’s break, isn’t it?

boy, what a dangerous break!!! you don’t see it? it IS a break, a break in a brick! how dangerous.

just think about it, a building has a break, how dangerous it is! what a break!

you don’t admit a break is dangerous? a break of a building! do you know what a break of a building will lead to?

be honest with yourself, you won’t deny there is a break on that building, will you? i believe you are an honest man

let’s take a close look of the break. how dangerous it is to the whole building. the building is dangerous.

hey, boy, you won’t lie to yourself, will you? just think about it, a break in a building! you live in a dangerous building!!!

a break! what? you don’t think the building is dangerous? unbelievable! somebody don’t believe a break is dangerous! how absurd! a break is not dangerous!

it IS a break! you don’t admit it is a break? it is a break! ……………

July 29, 2005 @ 7:01 am | Comment

>Japanese and Chinese communist history revisionists are sooo idiotic.

Maybe, maybe not. I don’t know. Who are they? Is there famous Japanese revisionist in the U.S.? Or are you talking about a hearsay, a rumor type of thing on an imaginary basis?

July 29, 2005 @ 7:06 am | Comment

bingfeng,

You make me think a lot. It’ll take a few days before I figure out what you are trying to say.

July 29, 2005 @ 7:09 am | Comment

Replying to bingfeng’s satire of Japanese Logic:
Chinese logic: “The Communist Party says there is no break in the building.” (Meanwhile the building collapses….)

July 29, 2005 @ 7:11 am | Comment

american logic:

if the building is called “freedom”, then it is not a break

otherwise, it is a break and the building is evil!

July 29, 2005 @ 7:18 am | Comment

Souden, I can’t remember which book it was that taught me the Japanese soldiers were actively encouraged to rape, plunder and kill Chinese civilians, but I certainly know that’s what I was taught and what I read, and I never saw anything that contradicts this. Do I have it wrong?

July 29, 2005 @ 7:44 am | Comment

Here are soem deniers of the Nanjing Massacre:

Suzuki Akira, โ€œThe Illusion of the Nanjing Massakerโ€

Tanaka Masaakis, โ€The Fabrication of the Nanajing Massacreโ€

Fujioka Nobukatsu: Only 47 people died because of atrocities commited by the Japanese soldiers in Nanjing

July 29, 2005 @ 8:26 am | Comment

Nothing happened!

July 29, 2005 @ 8:36 am | Comment

Funny, they were all written by Japanese. What a coincidence.

July 29, 2005 @ 8:39 am | Comment

Yeah, Tanaka Masaaki, was general Matsui Iwane’s (commander of the troops in Nanjings) secretary.

July 29, 2005 @ 8:57 am | Comment

Richard, so that you know, the rape of Nanjing was not ordered, or even organized, it just happened. It was hundreds of small incidents over a period of 6 months carried out by hundreds of different soldiers. It was the fault of sick and vile soldiers who had been brought up to believe that the Chinese were lesser creatures and who were not properly controlled, it was however not the fault of the Japanese governemnt or the Japanese people. Both of whom found it to shameful and wicked.

Japan did little differently from Germany and Russia, one of whom I may remind you was your allie. Japna also did little differently from Britian during its period of colonial agression, or from many US settlers during the Indian wars. Such atrocities are in Humanities nature, they have always been with us and probably always will be, just look at Sudan and Chechnia.

As for the deniers, this too is common with all attrocities in all substantial wars. Hundreds of German acedemics still deny the murder of European Jews, Russians deny the exsesses of the cold war, the list goes on.

If you want an admission, look no further than article 9 of the japanese consitution, Japan has stuck to this for 60 years, if this isn’t a recognition of guilt, what is?

July 29, 2005 @ 9:51 am | Comment

I thought it was over a course of 6 weeks.

It may not have been ordered, but I thought there was tacit approval if not outright encouragement.

July 29, 2005 @ 10:01 am | Comment

ACB:
Could you please name those hundrets German academics who deny the Holocaust.

July 29, 2005 @ 10:44 am | Comment

ACB:
You are right that there were no direct orders to commit these attrocities in Nanjing, but if you trust Jonathan D. Spence the worst was over after seven weeks.

What about the academics who deny the Holocaust?

July 29, 2005 @ 11:18 am | Comment

the logic of japanese denying the rape of nanjing is quite simple:

there is a break in one brick of that building, therefore that building can’t stand.

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the grand daughter of tojo asked japanese pm to visit war shrine, she don’t think tojo is a criminal because “he is very kind to all people”

never seen such a shameless nation

July 29, 2005 @ 6:57 pm | Comment

and this week the mad tokyo mayor is promoting the revised textbook to schools in tokyo

July 29, 2005 @ 7:02 pm | Comment

also this week some “real japanese” are forcing a japanese TV station stop a program about former sex slaves abused by japanese army

July 29, 2005 @ 7:03 pm | Comment

Their revision of history is shameless, I think we all agree. Just like the CCP’s revision of June 4, the day nothing happened. They are both guilty, and I don’t excuse either. I understand your anger at it. Now get over it. I don’t rant every day about the CCP revising its history – we all know it, we all hate it, but there’s more to CHina than just that.

July 29, 2005 @ 7:08 pm | Comment

“June 4, the day nothing happened.”

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we are not told EVERYDAY that “nothing happened on june 4”, but we have “real japanese” to deny war crimes almost EVERYDAY!

richard you rant about the so-called sins of CCP, why we can’t rant about japanese revisionism?

July 29, 2005 @ 7:19 pm | Comment

Bingfeng, every day I choose something new, based on the latest news. You are going on about WWII revisionism every day. You are obsessed. It’s okay, feel free to rant. It just seems very strange and obsessive. It’s just such a shame, because if China could get over this blind rage they would appear more mature and less vengeful, and would be more welcome without fears of irrationality and explosive grudges. It will continue to hurt China’s businesses and international reputation, but that is your choice. Rant away.

July 29, 2005 @ 7:24 pm | Comment

Bingfeng, you may want to look at the new post I put up on Japanese bloggers. They should get over their rage, too. Vicious circle. I criticize everyone I see as being foolish, American, Japanese or Chinese. I am an equal opportunity critic.

July 29, 2005 @ 7:28 pm | Comment

btw, the recent japanese madness towards china is just the ploy of the shrewd japan to get rid of US control

US forces japan to revaluate yan and hurt their economy enormously, japanese realized that as long as US has a say in japanese fate, they will never have their good days to do things they want

July 29, 2005 @ 7:35 pm | Comment

I picture Bingfengs brain as containing a single page of newspaper blowing, endlessly around a small enclosed room.

July 29, 2005 @ 7:37 pm | Comment

“You are going on about WWII revisionism every day”

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this is not true, you know

but the japanese madness of revising their history and attempting to do something stupid is obvious these days

July 29, 2005 @ 7:39 pm | Comment

“I picture Bingfengs brain as containing a single page of newspaper blowing, endlessly around a small enclosed room.

Posted by Yoshi Masumoto at July 29, 2005 07:37 PM”

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vivid picture of some mad japanese

anyway, thanks for masumoto-san’s japanese style comment

July 29, 2005 @ 7:42 pm | Comment

one way to make people like richard to wake up is to push the japanese madness to a threshold level from which a japanese revenge towards the US becomes possible

July 29, 2005 @ 7:46 pm | Comment

Richard,

Seems like this subject is being endlessly argued…ever since the spring of this year. It makes the ideas of John Lennon’s song “Imagine” immpossible to be realized, isn’t it?

July 29, 2005 @ 8:08 pm | Comment

“But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain’t gonna make it with anyone anyhow” They’re STILL pissed about that one.

July 29, 2005 @ 8:31 pm | Comment

Why is the good Lord strikin’ so many Boy Scouts down?

July 29, 2005 @ 8:56 pm | Comment

Lightening struck on the Seventh day of their trip. Hum……It’s a war of attrition against the Boy Scouts!

July 29, 2005 @ 9:34 pm | Comment

Neo, it’s never going away. Not as long as people like Bingfeng remain rabidly obsessed with it, and his counterparts in Japan keep reacting in a vicious circle.

July 29, 2005 @ 9:57 pm | Comment

one way to make people like richard to wake up is to push the japanese madness to a threshold level from which a japanese revenge towards the US becomes possible

Goodness, where does this come from? What do I need to wake up to? I have condemend what the Japanese did to the Chinese in very strong terms. Isn’t it time to get over it? Time for China to get over its inferiority complex and show the world what a great country it is. Spouting invective against Japan for sins from 60 years ago only shows an immature, angry, out-of-control face. Impress the world with your ingenuity and productivity — China has the talent and the brains to do this. To remain stuck in ancient hatreds is a recipe for catastrophe and failure. It’s your choice – grow up or go down.

July 29, 2005 @ 10:03 pm | Comment

Matsumoto’s point is well taken Bingfeng, in that you are going on and on with a single script, one page, from which you derive infinite angry and unhealthy energy. In that sense, I have to agree. It’s a little scary.

July 29, 2005 @ 10:06 pm | Comment

bingfeng,

This “a break in one brick” thing is not clear enough. But I do feel that you may be making a great point. So let’s get more specific, precisely what you want to say to the Japanese. Which specific case in history are you referring to?

I have my own blog that I started 28 days ago. I don’t have big audience, about 600 views a day, but I will make sure your voice is heard if there is anything you want to say to them. So let’s get a little more specific so that they understand what you are really getting at.

July 29, 2005 @ 10:17 pm | Comment

Maybe take English lesson first.

July 29, 2005 @ 10:18 pm | Comment

All in all another break in one brick in the wall.Bingfeng like Pink Floyd?

July 29, 2005 @ 10:21 pm | Comment

bingfeng,

>btw, the recent japanese madness
>towards china is just the ploy of the
>shrewd japan to get rid of US control

This kind of conspiracy theory does not work. The Japanese do not want to change the status quo. They are the peope who have been most benefited from the world structure, system, created by the U.S. Why on earth would they want to do harmful to such a great system for them? They want to keep it intact, if not strengthened.

July 29, 2005 @ 10:34 pm | Comment

richard,

> they would appear more mature and
>less vengeful, and would be more
>welcome without fears of irrationality and
>explosive grudges.

I doubt it. China after all is not a democracy but a dictatorship. China will always be the bad guy. She is bound to be the bad guy.

July 29, 2005 @ 10:51 pm | Comment

richard,

>Germany never showed too much love for
> civilians and they set the tone for the
>war, as did the Japanese. Ask our friends
>in Nanjing how the Japanese treated
>civilians.

Sino-Japan War was about going after gurilla civilian fighters, fighting terrorism, from Japanese point of view. Try google “Tongzhou Incident.”

When people throw away their military outfits and start fighting the occupation forces in civilian clothes, and when insurgents start using kids and women as weapon to attack the occupation forces, battles inevitably get nasty. That is what’s happened.

There is nothing new about what the Japanese did in China. They were using kids as their weapon. Chinese history book describe those kids as heors today.

Becasue you fail to see the war from that angle, you need to portray the Japanese being crazy and sadistic on an imaginary basis, otherwise you cannot fill the void and the weakness of your theory of why the Japanese did it.

July 29, 2005 @ 11:13 pm | Comment

as part of their attempt to become a “normal country”, japan is trying all kinds of tricks to revise their history views, which triggers chinese counter-attack.

i’m just surprised that richard you don’t realize this simple fact and blame chinese as the trouble-makers.

anyway, just as your president says: it is a SOB, but it’s our SOB.

turning a blind eye on japan’s madness will sooner or later back fire on yourself. i am very sure of that.

July 29, 2005 @ 11:33 pm | Comment

Sino-Japan War was about going after gurilla civilian fighters, fighting terrorism, from Japanese point of view. Try google “Tongzhou Incident.”

When people throw away their military outfits and start fighting the occupation forces in civilian clothes, and when insurgents start using kids and women as weapon to attack the occupation forces, battles inevitably get nasty. That is what’s happened.

There is nothing new about what the Japanese did in China. They were using kids as their weapon. Chinese history book describe those kids as heors today.

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not a new trick to play the “chinese terrorist” card.

but yeah, a lot of “terrorists” in nazi-occupied countries too!

July 29, 2005 @ 11:40 pm | Comment

All in all another break in one brick in the wall.Bingfeng like Pink Floyd?

Posted by Yoshi Masumoto at July 29, 2005 10:21 PM

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anada wa amlika no hito desega?

July 29, 2005 @ 11:44 pm | Comment

Maybe take English lesson first.

Posted by Yoshi Masumoto at July 29, 2005 10:18 PM

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thank you, Amerika-phobia-masumoto Mann

July 29, 2005 @ 11:45 pm | Comment

bingfeng,

>btw, the recent japanese madness
>towards china is just the ploy of the
>shrewd japan to get rid of US control

This kind of conspiracy theory does not work. The Japanese do not want to change the status quo. They are the peope who have been most benefited from the world structure, system, created by the U.S. Why on earth would they want to do harmful to such a great system for them? They want to keep it intact, if not strengthened.

Posted by soudenjapan at July 29, 2005 10:34 PM

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hint – yan revaluation

July 29, 2005 @ 11:49 pm | Comment

Uh-oh, anonymous – you’re being too reasonable.

Posted by richard at July 30, 2005 12:00 AM

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it’s me, richard

unfortunately i know something in this field – yan revaluation and how it shaped the japanese national strategies

July 30, 2005 @ 12:03 am | Comment

self-cercorship? why delete your own comment?

July 30, 2005 @ 12:05 am | Comment

I deleted my own comment about being “too reasonable” a couple of minutes ago after I realized I misunderstood an earlier comment. Sorry for any confusion.

July 30, 2005 @ 12:06 am | Comment

No bingfeng, as I sent it I realized I misunderstood so I took it back. No censorship.

July 30, 2005 @ 12:07 am | Comment

Bingfeng,

>turning a blind eye on japan’s madness
>will sooner or later back fire on yourself. i
>am very sure of that.

I agree with richard. You are paranoid.

What do you think is going to happen in your imaginary world? when is it going to happen? Specify.

July 30, 2005 @ 12:07 am | Comment

Why the difficulty/hedge to apologize:
U.S. “apologizes” for enslaving the African black populations.
U.S. “apologizes” for annexing much of the western states.
See that picture? Yeah, you bet it’s really difficult in ALL possible regards!
And of course, why would apologizing for murders and war crimes be easier? The question is never about “should”; because the answer to that is apparent.
Understanding, communications and forgiveness are now left to the side for manipulation, vengence and opportunism. Are we supposed to be optimistic for the future? I don;t know after seeing the kind of cross fire here….

July 30, 2005 @ 12:09 am | Comment

Hasn’t Japan apologized mutliple times, although never to the satisfactiuon of the CCP, which keeps using it as a tool to keep their people in a jingoistic frenzy?

July 30, 2005 @ 12:12 am | Comment

By the way, Bingfeng, I’ll be in Shanghai in a few weeks; want to get together for tea? We won’t talk about Japan, okay?

July 30, 2005 @ 12:17 am | Comment

“Hasn’t Japan apologized mutliple times, although never to the satisfactiuon of the CCP, which keeps using it as a tool to keep their people in a jingoistic frenzy?

Posted by richard at July 30, 2005 12:12 AM ”

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the hatred towards CCP just blinds your eyes

the fact is, japanese paid some lip service in the past but more often they tried to revise the history views to justify their barbaric wars in china and many parts of asia

this is not only a humiliation to the war victims of china, but also a threat to peace in asia-pacific region.

chinese people got angry since many of them know the truth and many of their relatives were victims of barbaric japanese.

maybe i should just ask one question to you richard – why jewish people keep such a hostility towards neo-nazis?

July 30, 2005 @ 12:22 am | Comment

Nah. Americans are not that stupid to believe this Japanese history revisionist propaganda. Only gullible people in Japan seem to believe it.

But, they do make for good entertainment.

July 30, 2005 @ 12:25 am | Comment

well, here’s the question. Nowadays, Germans do NOT equal Nazis. They don’t equal neo-Nazis either. Neo-Nazis have made a choice to adopt that hateful ideology.

So as for Japan – do all Japanese people = the butchers of the Second World War?

July 30, 2005 @ 12:26 am | Comment

“By the way, Bingfeng, I’ll be in Shanghai in a few weeks; want to get together for tea? We won’t talk about Japan, okay?

Posted by richard at July 30, 2005 12:17 AM”

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thanks richard, i prefer keeping myself anonymous right now since somebody is launching a campaign against an “anti-CCPist”, and i don’t want to get involved into the event

July 30, 2005 @ 12:27 am | Comment

“well, here’s the question. Nowadays, Germans do NOT equal Nazis. They don’t equal neo-Nazis either. Neo-Nazis have made a choice to adopt that hateful ideology.

So as for Japan – do all Japanese people = the butchers of the Second World War?

Posted by Other Lisa at July 30, 2005 12:26 AM”

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japanese government, which is kidnapped by japanese right wing (war veterans, their families, people like the mad tokyo mayor, etc.), millions of them, with their misguided enegies, are working hard to do things that will someday impose a threat to peace-loving people

July 30, 2005 @ 12:32 am | Comment

Yikes, that sounds ominous…

July 30, 2005 @ 12:32 am | Comment

I don’t know, Bingfeng. I agree that the Japanese government has not dealt with its crimes the way that the Germans have, and certainly there are some scary revisionists in Japan. But I don’t have the sense that most Japanese really care that much about all this. I think the younger people are relatively uninformed and disconnected from their history. And I don’t think that Japan has the potential to become a huge regional threat any more. That moment in history has passed, I believe.

July 30, 2005 @ 12:36 am | Comment

some lessons that the US could learn from the history of its east asian politics – don’t blind your eyes just because that nation is your ally. blindly supporting the corrupt chinese nationalist government from 1930s to 1940s directly lead to the “defeat” of US in china

July 30, 2005 @ 12:38 am | Comment

Prowler,

Thanks for honest comment. Many people don’t know the basics, the context. But that is OK.

But the explanation does make sense, doesn’t it? Why do you think it make sense?

>this Japanese history revisionist propaganda.

That means apparently that you do not have a slightest idea who they are, what they are doing. You know only imaginary revisionists in your brain.

July 30, 2005 @ 12:40 am | Comment

Bingfeng, personally, I feel much closer to China than to Japan – otherwise, I wouldn’t be here commenting. I haven’t spent time in Japan, I don’t feel comfortable with many aspects of the culture (the formality, for example), and truly, the WW2 denial deeply disturbs me.

I just don’t think Japan has the capacity to be the kind of threat that it once was. Nor the interest. The world has changed a great deal.

July 30, 2005 @ 12:41 am | Comment

There are absolutely no excuses for killing innocent people. Therefore, all history revisionsits are EEEVIL (you know who you are).

July 30, 2005 @ 12:49 am | Comment

“I think the younger people are relatively uninformed and disconnected from their history. And I don’t think that Japan has the potential to become a huge regional threat any more. That moment in history has passed, I believe.”

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japan is a very homogenous nation and japanese people couldn’t resist the temptation of some evil idologies developed by right-wing japanese politicians

democracy strengthens, not weakens the tendency that politicians that make people excited be elected into the posts, just look at the mad tokyo mayor

and even we have many international game rules today, it is still possible for counties like japan to use war to get the benefits it can not get peacefully, and we all know which japanese prefer

July 30, 2005 @ 12:50 am | Comment

BingFeng,The Real Great Wall of China.

July 30, 2005 @ 12:56 am | Comment

Democracy can be misused by demagogues, but it’s also a great mechanism to get rid of incompetent and corrupt officials. As some wise fellow once said, democracy is a pretty bad system, it’s just better than the alternatives.

Japan hasn’t been in a war since 1945. That’s certainly more than either China or the United States can say! They are a small country with a small population. They don’t have nuclear weapons, so far as we know. I just don’t see a huge trend towards militarization there. Maybe I’m missing something.

July 30, 2005 @ 12:57 am | Comment

Sprowler,

>There are absolutely no excuses for killing
> innocent people. Therefore, all history
>revisionsits are EEEVIL (you know who
>you are).

I smell something dangerous in this kind of oversimplification.

July 30, 2005 @ 12:57 am | Comment

BingFeng,The Real Great Wall of China.

Posted by Xena Phobia at July 30, 2005 12:56 AM

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thank you, Amerika-Nihongjin-phobia-masamakomikibakabukika Mann

July 30, 2005 @ 1:03 am | Comment

Other Lisa,

You are right. Your view is resonable. The Japanese are doing great and no reason for change.

July 30, 2005 @ 1:04 am | Comment

bingfeng,

>japan to use war to get the benefits it
>can not get peacefully,

What are those benefits? Specify, if not paranoid.

July 30, 2005 @ 1:12 am | Comment

Other Lisa,

> I think the younger people are relatively
> uninformed and disconnected from their
>history.

Uninfromed? I don’t know. More accurete description would be that some people are trying to inform but the public, students are not interested, because history is boring. They are busy with other things in their lives.

July 30, 2005 @ 1:20 am | Comment

Soudenjapan, that’s what I meant by “disconnected.” I just don’t think the past has much relevance to young people. But that’s by no means confined to Japan. The nature of modern society is in part based on historical amnesia.

July 30, 2005 @ 1:23 am | Comment

Bingfeng I see your Japafrichinglish is coming along.You’re a sad case.

July 30, 2005 @ 1:24 am | Comment

bingfeng,

>chinese people got angry since many of
>them know the truth and many of their
>relatives were victims of barbaric
>japanese.

This statement is much better than your conspiracy theory. I will inform my Japanes audience of this view of yours and your concern about governor Ishihara of Tokyo.

But those relatives were killing Japanese in China and fighting the Imperial Army in civilian clothes. They were using kids and women as weapons. Those relatives in Singapore were supporting insurgents in China. When you do things like that to armed forces, you get killed, you know.

There must be tons of sad, brutal anecdotes around you. but that is war. I feel sorry for that.

July 30, 2005 @ 1:42 am | Comment

I don’t know, Soudenjapan. What you are saying above sounds too close to justifying what happened in Nanjing. And I don’t believe that was justifiable, under any circumstances.

July 30, 2005 @ 1:50 am | Comment

Is there an Inverse Opposites Attract thingy goin’ on here?

July 30, 2005 @ 2:02 am | Comment

I feel as a Westerner that I just don’t get either point of view at all. I don’t think i’ll ever get it.It’s all such a waste of time and energy.It’s a bit like Turkey and Greece or many other disputes.All of them a waste of time and energy. Evolve people. 2005 and ticking.

July 30, 2005 @ 2:17 am | Comment

Lisa did you get to James Beach yet?

July 30, 2005 @ 2:25 am | Comment

Other Lisa,

Other Lisa,

What I wrote was about the underlying general context. I was not referring to any specific incident. Nanking is a most tricky issue. Its interpretation and description should be left out to experts, historians, both Japanese and Chinese. Governments were talking about such a project but I don’t know what happened to it.

What do you think was happened in Nanking? How did you convince yourself that it happened in ways that you believe it did? I’m not suggesting you are right or wrong. I am just curious about the way a westerner convinced herself.

July 30, 2005 @ 2:41 am | Comment

Soudenjapan, Are you trying to be vague?What do you think of Nanjing?And how did you reach that conclusion?

July 30, 2005 @ 2:51 am | Comment

Xena Phobia,

I said I don’t know. How about you?

July 30, 2005 @ 2:59 am | Comment

I wasn’t there.

July 30, 2005 @ 3:01 am | Comment

My grandfather (German-American) fought the Nazi’s.It’s all rather complex isn’t it? I have an Ex-girlfiend(Japanese-American) who’s father fought the Japanese.So for many Western people it is more than black and white.I think we have a problem with understanding Non-multicultural thought.It simply makes very little sense to us to harbor grudges forever.Let’s all move forward.

July 30, 2005 @ 3:07 am | Comment

Also,I think that the world has a few more pressing issues to deal with.I hope you’re able to discuss these in your thoughtful and poised manor.I will try to as well.Certainly there is MORE to the world than the Japan/China problem.Lets move on.

July 30, 2005 @ 3:33 am | Comment

Exactly…the world is getting smaller with human population growth. There are more dire problems to worry about – i.e., the deteriorating ecosystem – holding grudges forever is not going to solve any problems.

July 30, 2005 @ 3:44 am | Comment

Also,Soudenjapan.I’m wondering if I can get an English version of your blog.Preferably REALLY simple American- English with alotta pretty pictures.

July 30, 2005 @ 3:48 am | Comment

The day that Xena is the voice of reason is the end of the wooooooh…………!!!!!!!

July 30, 2005 @ 3:51 am | Comment

Neo,I live in China. There IS NO eco-system left.Unless you count athlete’s foot .

July 30, 2005 @ 3:53 am | Comment

That pathetic attempt at humor was me.

July 30, 2005 @ 3:54 am | Comment

Recently, my wife(Chinese) and I watched a film called S-21.The film is a documentary about the horrors of the Khmer Rouge regime in Cambodia.The film appears to be an honest portrayal of that time in Cambodian history.As we watched, my wife repeatedly said things like “Oh, that’s China exactly” or “they told us exactly the same things” and so on. A real eye opener for her. P.S. I got in China.

July 30, 2005 @ 4:47 am | Comment

IT in China.Filthy ol’ boy.

July 30, 2005 @ 4:48 am | Comment

Also, in The Economist : Anatomy of An Epidemic. Talks about the AIDS crisis in China. I live in China so anyone can access this stuff.No excuses anymore.

July 30, 2005 @ 5:13 am | Comment

Soundenjapanese:
What buisness had the Imperial army in Nanjing and the rest of China exactly?
Having a day out? Doing some sightseeing, when suddenly some Chinese six year old suicide bombers attacked them with granny and her vok as some sort of secret weapon?
You want some names of revisionists well here is the first one:
soundenjapanese
others you will find above

July 30, 2005 @ 6:04 am | Comment

Somehow I don’t see us resolving this problem at the Duck………….BTW,Shulan,I apologize for my poor performances in the past.I’m getting bored with myself.

July 30, 2005 @ 6:09 am | Comment

Also, I think Soudenjapan is a one trick pony.I could be wrong.I hope that he/she/it will return to discuss OTHER subjects.Race/culture baiter?

July 30, 2005 @ 6:13 am | Comment

no need to apologize. Everybody now and the has a bad day. Keep it up.
Now, what is your relashionship with American Man? Husband, brother, maybe?

July 30, 2005 @ 6:17 am | Comment

Tough to tell.We come from West Virginia. So,you can see my dilemmaOur folks don’t keep records on these things on general principal.

July 30, 2005 @ 6:20 am | Comment

“They” say it’s “Against the laws of nature”.

July 30, 2005 @ 6:21 am | Comment

Modern science my ass! It’s likes dis. My poppa married my poppa….Sees I even gets confused. Anyways here we are! In all our glory! At least we ain’t from Texas.

July 30, 2005 @ 6:24 am | Comment

Sorry,my sister’s beggin for som so’s I gots teh go now.See you at the country fair this year SHOE LAN?

July 30, 2005 @ 6:26 am | Comment

richard will tell you that phobia and Amerika Mann share the same laptop, maybe they even shaer the same laptop with Masomotohotobatobikakoko-san

July 30, 2005 @ 6:27 am | Comment

Allwys wanted to go to west-virginia. Seems you folks there are not so obsessed with the family line like those guys in Utha.
Strange country this America.

July 30, 2005 @ 6:29 am | Comment

i like mid-westerners and all american rednecks

July 30, 2005 @ 6:32 am | Comment

Shoe-Lan,I dont me to be PAR TICK LUR about yer English but it’s pronounced West Virginny.As far as Utah goes I dunno ain’t never been there.Bingfeng,You remind me of my cousin Yoshi.Hot damn!

July 30, 2005 @ 6:32 am | Comment

sorry for the bad pronounciation. My English is work in progress.
Anybody interested in white saussages? Got some leftovers of my bavarian breakfast.

July 30, 2005 @ 6:41 am | Comment

One of the Hazzards(Dukes of?) speakin’ in your non-native tongue is dat you libel to look stupids sometime.

July 30, 2005 @ 6:41 am | Comment

Down herein da Wes Virginny we always lookin’ fer some WHITE sausage to keep up da bloodline.Come on in!

July 30, 2005 @ 6:43 am | Comment

Shoe Lan you in anyways related to the Creek Holler Shoe Lans?

July 30, 2005 @ 6:44 am | Comment

Opps poppy’s on da goat ‘gin me and Jethro gotta take care o’ biznes! Shall return.

July 30, 2005 @ 6:46 am | Comment

kommen sie aus suddeutschland ?

July 30, 2005 @ 6:47 am | Comment

Not that I know, but then I have to admit that my familie also has a quite relaxed aproach towards family planing. Just too lasy to bother.

July 30, 2005 @ 6:51 am | Comment

Bingfeng,Please try and discuss anything other than your hatred of the Japanese people.Please. Pretty please .And your German doesn’t make you seem tough.

July 30, 2005 @ 7:05 am | Comment

ja, deutschen familie … im die chinesischen welt, wie gesagt, die familie ist Alles

July 30, 2005 @ 7:07 am | Comment

Yeah,Shulan,I lived on a pig farm in Germany for a summer.Maybe we all ARE related afterall. So Bingfeng, lets just all be a happy little dysfunctional family.OK?

July 30, 2005 @ 7:08 am | Comment

Your a moron in sooo many languages.

July 30, 2005 @ 7:10 am | Comment

Bingfeng,Please try and discuss anything other than your hatred of the Japanese people.Please. Pretty please .And your German doesn’t make you seem tough.

Posted by Xena Phobia at July 30, 2005 07:05 AM

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naturlich, Amerika-masumotomikikakokakoki-phobia Mann

sprechen sie auf deutsch mit frau hitler?

July 30, 2005 @ 7:11 am | Comment

Anyway, Bingfeng, Your tactics are improving. Soon nobody will come to this site at all.But then again, even less will come to your’s.Life is always bittersweet.Jealousy is so ugly.

July 30, 2005 @ 7:12 am | Comment

Japan is YOUR ruler. Goodnight, My little Chinese Chopped Salad!

July 30, 2005 @ 7:14 am | Comment

Anyway, Bingfeng, Your tactics are improving. Soon nobody will come to this site at all.But then again, even less will come to your’s.Life is always bittersweet.Jealousy is so ugly.

Posted by Xena Phobia at July 30, 2005 07:12 AM

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don’t worry about this site, as long as Amerika Mann is here, people will come

Guten Abend, and say hello to Frau Hitler

July 30, 2005 @ 7:15 am | Comment

Japan is YOUR ruler. Goodnight, My little Chinese Chopped Salad!

Posted by Xena Phobia at July 30, 2005 07:14 AM

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maybe china is YOUR ruler, Amerika-masumokikakotukisamuta-phobia Mann?

July 30, 2005 @ 7:25 am | Comment

why does everybody on this site seem to speak german? starting to develope a serious paranoia.

Bingfeng: ja ich komme aus Sรผddeutschland, bin aber kein Bayer.

dysfunktional family is nice, peace to all brothers and sisters.

July 30, 2005 @ 7:29 am | Comment

Shulan,Where are you in the US?If you don’t mind me askin’.

July 30, 2005 @ 7:32 am | Comment

And you’re not paranoid if…..

July 30, 2005 @ 7:33 am | Comment

The Onion: Supreme Court Justices Devour Sandra Day O’ Connor In Ancient Ritual.

July 30, 2005 @ 7:42 am | Comment

I’m in Berlin.

July 30, 2005 @ 7:43 am | Comment

Really,I assumed from something that you said that you were in the US. Sorry! I miss Saurbraten alot.With spatzel.Ummmmmm Spaetzel.And beer of course. And cheap Turkish whores.Of course.

July 30, 2005 @ 7:47 am | Comment

BTW,I’m a bit of a gastronome.The German’s are the best cooks in the (Western) world. Not just German food, German food itself is quite good,but they are the best practicioners of many cuisines

July 30, 2005 @ 7:53 am | Comment

Was in the US only once, some time ago and only in Florida. Perhaps will make it to California next year. Sauerbraten rocks.

July 30, 2005 @ 7:56 am | Comment

Sauerbraten rules my mom’s cookin world.She’s a stern old German broad.She also makes a tasty Rouladen on occasion.Teutonic chow is delish.

July 30, 2005 @ 8:02 am | Comment

Shulan, if your ever out New York way,tell me.I promise you’ll have a good ol’ time.It’s like Berlin in English.

July 30, 2005 @ 8:06 am | Comment

Mmh, Roulanden. my mother’s aren’t bad also. Yeah I heared NY must be great, though a little expensive.

July 30, 2005 @ 8:17 am | Comment

That’s why I love German food. Meat, Meat,and Meat but don’t forget the potato’s! We have a Kempinski Hotel beer-garden here but thats a once a year splurge.Kiss the ground in front of you!

July 30, 2005 @ 8:25 am | Comment

The Onion: Many U.S. Cities Losing Battles to Preserve their Burger Kings

July 30, 2005 @ 8:37 am | Comment

The Onion: Alcoholic Father Disappointed With Pothead Son.Yeah, Everyday news in China

July 30, 2005 @ 8:39 am | Comment

Now for some CCP humor……….

July 30, 2005 @ 8:42 am | Comment

“I remember, my granny was eatin’ some pebbles and I said Granny those would be better served to the masses” Hi fives all around.

July 30, 2005 @ 8:44 am | Comment

Hating to spoil the fun, I am closing this thread becauyse I want to keep this post on top for a while and it’s getting bloated with extraneous (but always delightful) comments. Please use the current open thread to contninue the conversation. Thanks.

July 30, 2005 @ 10:43 am | Comment

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