Chinese defector hails Chen Yonglin, slam’s PRC’s human rights record

Yet another defector claims China has blood on its hands and networks of spies abroad, many of the agents posing as journalists. And he cites Chen Yonglin as his inspiration for speaking out.

A former Chinese prison supervisor who defected to Canada said Friday said Friday his homeland was responsible for a litany of human rights abuses.

In his first public appearance, Han Guangsheng, a former prison and labor camp supervisor in northeastern China, told an audience of about 100 that he saw political prisoners being subjected to electric shocks and beaten by members of the Chinese Communist party.

“Its hands are soaked with peoples’ blood,” the 52-year old said through a Mandarin interpreter.

No one at the Chinese Embassy in Ottawa was immediately available to respond to Han’s allegations, but the embassy has repeatedly denied that the Chinese government condones the abuse of prisoners or engages in espionage.

The government maintains a network of spies abroad, some of whom pose as journalists, and secretly but routinely opens personal mail, he claimed.

Han said he was inspired to come forward by two other Chinese officials who defected to Australia. Both officials in Australia also spoke of a Chinese spy network.

Han also worked for China’s Public Security Bureau, working his way up to the post of deputy head for the agency’s office in Shenyang, capital of the northeastern industrial province of Liaoning.

He left the organization and his country in September 2001 under the guise of a fact-finding mission about a school with links to China.

Han, whose application for political asylum in Canada was rejected in April, fears he will be executed if he is forced to return to China.

Canada’s federal Immigration and Refugee Board ruled him ineligible to stay in Canada because he was a “willing accomplice” in crimes against humanity in his former job. Han plans to appeal the decision.

I’m not sure whether I should root for his staying or being sent back to China. The fact that he defected and spoke out says something, but if Han was indeed a “willing accomplice” in acts of torture and murder…. Of course, he could also be a Chen copycat, hoping if he regurgitates the same stuff as Chen maybe he can pull off in Canada what Chen did in Australia. I don’t know.

The Discussion: 54 Comments

this is what the rumor come from. see your site only have articles that saying China bad things. nothing good. your site indeed is a CHina hating site. I have to say.

August 6, 2005 @ 10:58 pm | Comment

another loser, who use the excuse in order to stay in a wealthier country. there will be more defectors to come, you will see. as long as this trick works for those unqualified immigration minded person(too stupid to pass the Tofel, GRE, GMAT exam, too old to apply, or no enough money to apply for investment visa etc). CHina has 1.4 billion people, export as many possible these kind of low class people as long as the other contry can accept them, will be good for China!! thanks so much !!

August 6, 2005 @ 11:09 pm | Comment

So does Richard’s posting negative things about the current United States government make this “an America hating site”?

August 6, 2005 @ 11:09 pm | Comment

Richard, won’t you PLEASE post some articles which will tell us about the happy and beautiful life in China under the leadership of Chairman Mao and the correct path of Marxist-Leninist-Mao-Thought?
Why don’t you post some INTERESTING and REALISTIC articles for a change, with titles like “Chairman Mao is the Red Sun in Our Hearts?” Jeez……

August 6, 2005 @ 11:15 pm | Comment

Here’s a comment that a young Chinese student just left on an old post:

I’m a colledge student in China.

We China’s people can’t say anything to our goverment,but all over the country ,there are lots of people want to kill the leaders. we are under the goverment’s control.
Help me . Help china.

Posted by: jeefumn at August 6, 2005 11:47 PM

I am sorry Ko, but when it comes to the CCP I have very little to feel happy orpositive about. They have caused so many people so much misery, and do so today.

August 7, 2005 @ 12:59 am | Comment

I mean, Richard is making negative comments about our Dear Leader.

Why do you hate America, Richard?

(insert “yes, that was sarcasm” emoticon here)

August 7, 2005 @ 1:04 am | Comment

Lisa, Ko may be a bit too hard-wired to understand the argument, I’m afraid.

August 7, 2005 @ 1:07 am | Comment

You think my emoticon isn’t enough, huh?

Oh well…

August 7, 2005 @ 1:19 am | Comment

Richard, honestly, I grew up in China. I openly speak against the communistic party all the time, from corruption to social inequalities. Nobody every paid me any attention. It is not just me. If you go to any Chinese restaurant, you will hear people make fun of the Chinese leaders all the time. Of course, you need to be able to understand the complex Chinese language with its diverse dialects. From my personal experience, it is totally free to criticize CPC in China. The personal freedom level in the US is not any better than in China.

I think what most oversea Chinese feel frustrated is that most westerners like you have a distorted and ignorant view about China. Clearly, westerners grow up in extremely biased political and religious indoctrination. Christian culture values stubbornness. The religious grow up only believe in one thing – Christianity. They reject the challenges of evolution blindly. The religious are told a vile version of commy China in their church. Nothing can change their view about the evil China because there is no mechanism to change their faith – and part of their Christian faith is the hatred against China.

The problem is further exasperated by a lack of the ability to speak and understand Chinese. What is more disastrous is that westerners like you reach-out to China to lecture us based on your complete ignorance and biases.

When you see Chinese people disagree with you, you react angrily and hysterically. You simply label dissenters die-hard commies. You insult the intelligence and personal experiences of the Chinese people.

In this forum, you try all the nasty means of ridicule, insult, harassment, intimidation and abuses. People like Other Lisa, simply label legitimate dissents as trolls and mute them.

Are you trying to show the Chinese how the fantastic west respects speech freedom?

August 7, 2005 @ 10:03 am | Comment

Social Stress, you are really far off the mark. I really like to engage people with different viewpoints and hear what they have to say, and when we do so this blog really is at its best. What I will react angrily to are blanket assertions by people like you Ko and others, inflammatory statements offered with no good evidence and a lot of anger. I went through your comments, and I would say you are all but obsessed with the notion that the “West” is worse than China in terms of discrimination. (” The hostility, hatred and discrimination are real.”)) Ko is obsessed with the notion that this is a hate site because it criticizes the party and is sympathetic to its victims.

I realize there are things I’m ignorant about, though I would say my ignorance about China is not on the level with yours about the West. This is why I always appreciate it when people like Hui Mao and Bingfeng and Steve and others share their perspective. We’ve had some great conversations here, and I always appreciate what you have to say.

You are quite wrong about thet trolls. No one here is labelled a troll unless they post multiple times (often under different identities) for the sole purpose of taunting or hurting others, or highjacking threads to talk about their personal crap. Period. If you show me a single example of where I “label dissenters hard-core commies” strictly because they disagree with me I’ll apologize, except in the case of Ko who went on a shouting spree, screaming “I love the CCP!” In that case, calling him hard-core was simply a matter of fact.

There is total freedom here for anyone to express his views. Unlike China Daily, I don’t censor or delete comments except in cases of serious abuse and after warning the offending party they have to shape up. And that is an extremely rare occurrence. So what’s your complaint about “freedom of speech” here? Tell us.

And seriously, if you find the experience here to be so dreadful, why are you imposing it on yourself? I appreciate the fact that you take the time to comment, but no one is forcing you to be here. Thank you.

August 7, 2005 @ 11:04 am | Comment


We CHinese nobody say what Mao did in his later life is good, he made mistake. but it does not represent all the things our government did ( you say CCP). human being make mistake, same as government. now take a look at your Bush government, waging a war without proper reason, kiliing irrosent people.

you know what, these several day, one thing bother me: that is why you American who did not grow up in China, hate CHina so much, and beleive in what you think CHina really is, and telling us CHinese who grew up there that our governemnt is this bad that bad, anyway all bad, nothing good. just as what I said before. It just like people telling a kid: “hey your parents are not good to you. your parents is horrible.” but as a kid, I feel my parents are great,
how could you know my parents are bad. you are not even their kid. !!! mind your own business, and your own parents(your governent)!!!

ONe thing: WHY you foreigner spend so much time and energy hate CHina!!! why? is it relavent to your life?

August 7, 2005 @ 11:17 am | Comment

None of us hates CHina Ko. Please stop saying that.

Social Stress, as to your complaints about how insulting we are to Chinese readers, here’s a snip from your last comment in the open thread:

The only book that is truly worthless is the Christian Bible. The Christian Bible is a vicious fairy tale, a worthless piece of trash!

Tell us how we ever insult Chinese people the way you are insulting Christian people. I want an example, in quote marks. Thanks.

August 7, 2005 @ 11:23 am | Comment


Don’t say that we chinese don’t understand western country’s freedom. I’m well traveled, and I’ve been lived in western country for more than 10 years (include Japan, Australia and US). the freedom in the western country in turn of criticizing their government not so much better in CHina).
see below one message wrote by a CHinese student about CHina’s freedom of speech
In 2004, the number of internet users in China exceeds 100million, the number of telephone owners( landline phone and mobile) exceeds 300million. If you serve the internet today in China, you would be flushed by all kinds of news and information. Many internet users including me log on the websites and criticize the illegal actions of all levels of govenments. If you criticize the communist party over the internet and in the street, nobody would shut up your month.

However, there is some extent of control over the net. But can you find any country which doesnot have any control over internet? You wonot find even one, even the US. the only difference is the extent of control.

At the same time, I do believe sometimes the government is too cautious, and I do hate that the govenment sometimes try to hide some bad news such as explosion and disasters.
Again, we have seen the bright light, and let’s give the communist party some time, and let’s give ourselves some time.

August 7, 2005 @ 11:33 am | Comment


Well, I have said in my post: people like Filthy labels Tao De Ching worthless without any attempt to understand it (go to read his post again).

I am merely creating a mirror image for the obnoxious and insensitive Christian whites.

August 7, 2005 @ 11:41 am | Comment

I never said Chinese people don’t understand western countries’ freedoms. I said I am less ignorant about China than Social Stress is about the west. This can be proved by his constant portrayal of the US as a hotbed of fanatical racism and hatred. Every country has issues with discrimination and racism. America has made incredible progress in this area, and those experiencing discrimination are free to take their case to the courts, where they often win stunning victories. Same in China?

The US has no visible control over the Internet except to close sites that are blatantly illegal, such as child pornography sites and gamb*ling rings. Not a single word is banned. There are many, many American sites that advocate the destruction of the US government. These are never censored or blocked. We don’t have a centralized blocking system. You really do not understand much about the US if you believe we do. Sorry, that’s not an insult, it’s just the way it is. Your description is not factual. It’s wonderful that more people are on China’s Internet, but there is no question the CCP seeks to aggressively control their conversations and in some instances actually imprison people who post about democracy.

There are many more freedoms and opportunities in China now because the CCP has gotten off the backs of the hard-working Chinese people. They do some very good things, but the structure is corrupt and inherently focused on self-preservation, like all one-party systems. It is not an evil organization, but there is an evil side to it. Whenever I discuss this evil side, it is in the context of the terrible misery it causes for China’s people. And I saw this first-hand and was, to a limited degree, a victim of it once or twice myself. So I don’t speak from total ignorance.

August 7, 2005 @ 11:47 am | Comment

Read below message from a CHinese student for your reference:

In 2004, the number of internet users in China exceeds 100million, the number of telephone owners( landline phone and mobile) exceeds 300million. If you serve the internet today in China, you would be flushed by all kinds of news and information. Many internet users including me log on the websites and criticize the illegal actions of all levels of govenments. If you criticize the communist party over the internet and in the street, nobody would shut up your month.

However, there is some extent of control over the net. But can you find any country which doesnot have any control over internet? You wonot find even one, even the US. the only difference is the extent of control.

At the same time, I do believe sometimes the government is too cautious, and I do hate that the govenment sometimes try to hide some bad news such as explosion and disasters.
Again, we have seen the bright light, and let’s give the communist party some time, and let’s give ourselves some time.

August 7, 2005 @ 11:55 am | Comment

Richard, there is a lot of freedom for US whites to hurl racial slurs and political incorrectness. You know, in Philadelphia, the Muslim prayers from a local mosque are banned, while Christian church bells ringing all day. Is that fair? Yes, the Mulsim sued and they lost. If people are free to say anything, in the US, then Al-tamimi and Mumia shall not be in prison right now.

August 7, 2005 @ 11:57 am | Comment


why you say “terrible misery it causes for China’s people”, as one of the CHina people, I don’t feel my life as “terrible misery”, same as my parent and relatives. they all live very well!! there are poor people everywhere in every country, same in the US. buddy.

August 7, 2005 @ 12:00 pm | Comment

Ko, I know everything you are saying. I have posted criticism of the CCP myself at CHina Daily (somethimes they have been deleted, sometimes not). There is a lot more freedom now than under Mao, but if that is where you set the bar, it isd mighty low!

I would like you to show me examples of the US controlling the Internet, and I don’t mean closing a terrorist site or a child pornography site. I am honestly curious – what are you basing this on? In the US, the Internet is not a centralized structure, it is spread out on univeristy campuses, government organizations and private companies. In China, everytrhing on the Net goers through a funnel overseen by 30,000 censors. There is no such system in the US, even if Bush may want it.

Social Stress, if I used your line of reasoning I could demolish China to bits. You point to a single example of a Moslem church (though you offer no link or eviudence, just hearsay). I can point to literally THOUSANDS of examples of brutal repression in China that is nothing even close to what that church is going through. I’m talking about murder, torture and throwing poor people out onto the street in the middle of the night.

Since you’re an expert, tell us why Al-tamimi and Mumia are in prison. What do you know about it? I am very curious.

August 7, 2005 @ 12:03 pm | Comment

Ko, about the “terrible misery”, it is part of the western propaganda. Since you are children, they are told there are police knocking on your door if you ridicule the CPC leaders in China. They do not understand the peaceful, relaxed and pleasure childhood we enjoyed in China.

The more serious problem is that the western view is a religious one. “China is evil” is part of their Christian faith. There is no mechanism to release them from the mental prison. I know a Texas women drowned both of her children to send them to heaven.

August 7, 2005 @ 12:04 pm | Comment

From Wikpedia:

Ali Al-Tamimi is an American biologist and Islamic scholar, and convicted terrorist. On April 26, 2005, he was convicted in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia of soliciting others to levy war against the United States and inducing others to use firearms in violation of federal law. Soon after the September 11, 2001 attacks he told a small group of young Islamic men to join the Taliban and fight the United States.

So you consider what he did comparable to arresting students for writing an essay on democracy and putting them in jail for 20 years? Do you really? Do you believe if someone in China encouraged the citizens to take up arms and kill Chinese people in acts of terrorism the CCP would just smile and say, Have a nice day?

Please use some critical thinking. If this is the example you set forward for oppression and crackdown on free speech in America, you make a very weak case. He did something extraordinary and paid an extraordinary price. It’s called “treason” when you urge people to commit acts of terrorism against their country.

August 7, 2005 @ 12:12 pm | Comment

you asked me to stop saying that this site is CHina hating site. but how can I? there are many positive things in China now, can you just post one piece of them, I mean just one piece of news from the many. the articles here about CHina are all bad.

August 7, 2005 @ 12:14 pm | Comment


I am very concerned about the freedom of the Americans. I am absolutely devastated by the iron-fist suppression of the Cincinnati race riot.

Quote:” Attendees then decided to march down to the site of the rioting with the
ministers, the elected official and several nuns in the lead. They were met
by a line of police who instructed them to stop, turn around and go back.
After the ministers refused to leave, stating that they wanted to try and
cool things down, police held a loaded shotgun to the head of the politician
(Roland Heyne) and the order to leave repeated. Only then did the marchers
obey the police and return to the church.

As fifty people stood on the steps of the church, five police cars roared by
with their lights blinking. From the police cars a barrage of rubber bullets
flew into the side and doors of the building, ricocheting and bouncing
around. Miraculously, no one was hit. Absolutely none of this was reported in
the news. One witness said she counted twenty shotgun blasts.

How could anyone in their right mind say that such actions by the police is respecting feedom? ”

Richard, what do you say about that?

August 7, 2005 @ 12:14 pm | Comment

murder, torture and throwing poor people out onto the street in the middle of the night.

what are you talking about? this is the CHina you think it is, why you are so sure what you believe is true? we are CHinese people who grew up there. why I don’t know about it. here in the US, I know people been murdered because of their color and race.

August 7, 2005 @ 12:18 pm | Comment

Social Stress, LOL!! Did you look over the site you got that “story” from. Dude, I can find shit on the internet to prove the earth is flat and the sky is paisley. You are something else. 🙂

Hey, bad things happen in every country. In the US, crackdowns on demonstrations are remarkably rare and there is recourse, via our free media and judicial system. And when they happen, like the Seattle WTO riots, they get BIG coverage and police often get in serious trouble. Can you imagine in China trying to set up a site about the brutality of Hankuantou, saying terrible things about the police and CCP? It would disappear in a second! In the US, we let you say what you want. In a case like this, where the site is an obviouis proaganda site by people who can’t even afford site design, only angry people who won’t go to the trouble to do diligent research believe what they see there.

Oh, I am not Christian by the way. Your labeling of me as a white Christian China-hater is disgusting and I request you never say that again. Thanks.

August 7, 2005 @ 12:21 pm | Comment

Ali al-Timimi was convicted by a court in Alexandria, Virginia, in April.

Presiding US District Judge Leonie Brinkema said the evidence supported the mandatory life sentence.

The 41-year-old cleric said he was innocent. His lawyers earlier described the case as an attack on free speech and religious freedom.

Timimi was accused of telling young Muslims at a mosque that believers must take part in a holy war, or jihad, in support of the Taleban in Afghanistan, just days after the 11 September attacks.

Defence lawyers argued their client only told young Muslims that they might be better off leaving the country because it would be difficult to practice their faith in the US.

“I will not admit guilt nor seek the court’s mercy. I do this simply because I am innocent,” the cleric said before his sentencing.

August 7, 2005 @ 12:21 pm | Comment

SS, you are revealing once again the sneaky way you operate. I have one wrod to say (or rather, question to ask) about your snip above: SOURCE???

August 7, 2005 @ 12:27 pm | Comment


yah, your country is so so good, can you tell me what your Bush government is doing now in the middle east? since Iraqi war, tens of thousand innocent people already been killed. but where is the WMD? hum?

August 7, 2005 @ 12:29 pm | Comment

Richard, you are absolutely not free to say anything in the US. Your source of the Al-tamimi story shows us the obvious religious and political bias in the US media. These distorted news stories serve to suppress public dissents.

August 7, 2005 @ 12:30 pm | Comment

Ko, darling (Ko just posted the anonymous comment above): This is wonderful. You say you live in CHina and never hear of these things, about people being thrown oin the street or arrested or tortured. Thank you, thank you so much for saying this. You see, dear Ko, if it were the Chinese media reporting on CNN and the NY Times we would never know these things either! But luckily we have great reporters and writers like Jonathan Yardley and Philip Pan and John Pomfret and Jasper Becker who let people outside of China know what the CCP won’t tell its people. If you honestly believe people aren’t thrown out on the streets and often beaten because the local leaders or companies want their land, you know nothing. Your comment speaks volumes about today’s nationalistic fury, fueled by mind control and media repression by the government. The CCP is the perpetrator, the Chinese people are the victims. You can choose which side you are on.

It is not, by the way, monolithic. As I always say, there are some great people in the CCP trying to initiate reform, and they will admit freely that these things do happen. If you really want to learn about it, it’s pretty easy to find the evidence, including videos and photos of repression in action. In the US, riots are amazingly rare and become majoy news. In China there are thousands a year. To draw a parallel is bizarre.

August 7, 2005 @ 12:35 pm | Comment

Wikpedia is operated out of Europe. What is YOUR source for your information.

In the US, we have all kinds of media, conservative, radical, communist, fascist, you can find it all. In China, there is one publisher and one editor for 1.2 billion people. You decide which media is more reliable.

August 7, 2005 @ 12:37 pm | Comment

Richard, okay, since you are looking for source, I am very concerned about the religious freedom of the Americans. Let’s look at Waco Holocaust. Thousands of faithful Branch Dravidians are murdered by the US government.


Warning graphic contents! The website contains images of human corpuses from well-done to crisp. The bullets from cops in the corpus of a one-year old child weight 7 lbs.

Is that how we should treat cult, Richard? What freedom are you preaching to us?

August 7, 2005 @ 12:37 pm | Comment

yah, your country is so so good, can you tell me what your Bush government is doing now in the middle east? since Iraqi war, tens of thousand innocent people already been killed. but where is the WMD? hum?

Have you seen my comments on the Iraq war. I am extremely critical of the Iraq War. I never blindly praise or defend America. Under Bush it has become a much worse place. And I am free to say so, and to post insulting pictures of him and to tell him to fuck himself. Please do the same thing to Hu Jintao on a Chinese site 🙂

August 7, 2005 @ 12:39 pm | Comment

Attention everyone, I want you to see the source SS is using as proof of how terrible America is. It’s title:

Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum

Enough said? No, no prejudice to be found on a site ike that…

August 7, 2005 @ 12:41 pm | Comment

Ko, again, if you don’t like what I post here, you don’t need to stay. I never post a single good thing about Bush, NOT ONE. Becasue I hate the guy. Why would I post good things about him when he only does bad things? Same with the CCP. I wrote very positive articles in the past about how they were improving freedoms, fighting AIDS better, allowing people to see plays like Vagina Monologues. And then the CCP banned the play at the last minute, tightened the grip on the Internet, arrested more reporters and failed to meet most of its goals for fighting AIDS. Not much to praise is there? I don’t hear you complaining that I never say positive things about the Iraq War. Because it’s a bad war. And the CCP is a bad government with some good people. Less bad than it was 30 years ago, but still bad. When they do something truly good, let me know, okay?

August 7, 2005 @ 12:47 pm | Comment


It is sad to witness your culture of denial in the west. Are you telling us race riots or other protests against the white power are rare in the US??? How come I witness a grass root level antagonism all over the place in your nation? Please just talk to any, ANY blacks and Latinos in LA or NYC.

The US jailed two thirds of all blacks in their 20’s. Is that rare??

Oooooooh, I Seeee. Rare for whites, that is.

BTW, Europe shares the Christian white culture with the US, together with Australia and Canada. They are allies against the cold war commy enemy. Maybe you should find your source from say Iran.

I have a question for you: Is there any country that is majority Christian whites that is perceived by the US as a threat?

Think about it. Truth speaks for itselves.

August 7, 2005 @ 12:49 pm | Comment

SS, if you are the same troll who was posting on Imagethief as “really,” you are about to be banned. I’ve been given warnings and am checking IP addresses now.

Blacks were treated terribly in America. I am a believer in Affirmative Action and the intelligent use of welfare and social benefits, especially in a country as rich as mine. For poor black in the ghetto, going to jail is an inevitability, a rite of passage. They all know they will go to jail and expect it, and it’s because of their economic-social crisis. But on the other hand, we don’t just walk in and arrest blacks. Only if they commit a crime and are tried by the courts. It’s a shame, but it’s a tough, unfair world, and all considered we have handled our massive problems relatively well. We did reverse course under Bush, who sees affirmative action as reverse prejudice. And yet, we have more and more successful black people in prominent position in business and politics. Can you imagine Hu replacing Wen with an Uigher?

August 7, 2005 @ 12:56 pm | Comment

the majority officers in Uigher autonomy state are Uighers not hans. and there are representatives elected to participate people’s congress in Beijing every year.

August 7, 2005 @ 1:32 pm | Comment


sorry I can not do the same thing to Hu as to Bush, Hu did not wage a noncense war and killing innocent.

August 7, 2005 @ 1:35 pm | Comment


can you image next President of US is a black or Asian?

August 7, 2005 @ 1:38 pm | Comment

Please don’t answer me with nonsequitors. I said can you imagine Hu replacing Wen with a Uigher? Well, in America we at least have blacks in the very highest offices, despite all that horrible American racism (which does exist, though nowhere near the levels SS claims; I am outspoken on racism and don’t tolerate it).

August 7, 2005 @ 1:39 pm | Comment

Yes; there is a strong movement to draft Condi Rice as our next Republican candidate for president. And there was an even bigger movement to draft Colin Powell back in 2000. So once again, you prove your ignorance of US politics.

August 7, 2005 @ 1:41 pm | Comment

I’ve no idea why we’re talking about the next president of the United States on a China-related website—unless this converstation is simply to snipe and snarl at the owner of this website, who happens to be an American.

Well I’m not American but, for the record, a black/Asian president is a matter of WHEN not IF. Also, America has not yet had a WOMAN president either.

However, the choice of president, whether they be white, black, man or woman will be left to the PEOPLE of America to decide. It’s a process called democracy which, as Lisa has said before, might not be a perfect system, but it’s better than every single one of the alternatives…..

August 7, 2005 @ 2:32 pm | Comment

Damn, how come I wasn’t able to express that so beautifully? I suspect Ko won’t have much of a response, if any. (And no, he hasn’t been banned.)

August 7, 2005 @ 2:42 pm | Comment


August 7, 2005 @ 2:43 pm | Comment

It just annoys me when people look to slag off the US because the country has never had a black, asian or whatever, president.

Every American, be they black, white, man or woman etc has one equal vote and every single American can, if they so choose, enter politics and try and change things for the better. Sure, the US has vested interests and ‘old money’ etc but this system of public participation is a hell of a lot better than exists in a load of other countries that I could mention.

A lot of Britons, for example, died fighting for one-man-one-vote and it’s yet to be beaten as a system of political participation and representation.

August 7, 2005 @ 4:03 pm | Comment


Again, you showed us the arrogant mainstream westerners still see their way of life, religion and political system as the superior.

To say democratic system is the best is like a dog-lover claiming canines are the best pets. You oversimplified the diversity of the world.

In Europe, North America and Australia, Christian whites have domination over others economically and culturally. A democratic system only furthers their polarized domination politically. There is no reason to believe the majority are benevolent. Indeed, the majority are wrong most of the time.

When you claim people decide president, you are over simplifying the problem.

US 2004 Vote by Race:

White (77%) Bush 58% Kerry 41%
Black (11%) Bush 11% Kerry 88%
Latino (8%) Bush 44% Kerry 53%
Asian (2%) Bush 44% Kerry 56%
Native + Other (2%) Bush 40% Kerry 54%

Whites elected Bush, a hit man for Christian Whites, while all minorities disagree. The results reflect the fatal problem of democracy. It reveals the profound racism and social inequality in the US. There is no intrinsic mechanism to alleviate the pains of minorities in the inferior political system – western democracy.

The more serious problem is that the reality is not recognized by most whites. The views of most whites run in reverse from those of most minorities. For example, most whites still see their political system as the best, however, minorities do not agree.

August 7, 2005 @ 5:45 pm | Comment

Signing off, you’re crazy, and I also think you are Social Stress using a different name. White people often elect minorities into office here. Where you are coming from with this racism charge is beyond me. Racial tension in America has improved exponentially ever since the 1960s, and we now have a black Supreme Court justice (never mind that he’s also an asshole), a black Secretary of State, an Hispanic Attorney General…and lots more examples abound. You really have virtually no idea what you are talking about. A majority of Americans is also put off by the current administration’s catering to right-wing Christians, and it will be a major factor in the next election. Your blanket assertions about “white people” and “Christians” is proof that the real racist in here is you.

August 7, 2005 @ 5:56 pm | Comment

mmm… take a prosaic (or naive, as some might say) view, I would pipe up a guess that Mr. Han fled the country for far more mundane reasons (bribery?), found that he could copy Mr. Chen’s debut, and the rest is easy….

August 8, 2005 @ 3:26 am | Comment

Did anyone mention the fact Han’s bid for political asylum was rejected?

Are both AU and CA govts CCP bootlickers and proto-communists?

Come on…

August 9, 2005 @ 1:15 am | Comment

yeah, that’s just what I want to ask,I mean, if Han is really a die-hard dissident, then why did the Canadians reject his bid, they couldn’t be fifth-columnists, could they?

August 9, 2005 @ 10:23 am | Comment

Maybe the Canadians or evil, maybe they made a mistake, or maybe their explanation is the truith: they said Han had been a willing participant in acts against humanity, so they could not grant him asylum

August 9, 2005 @ 10:48 am | Comment

Richard, is this guy also claiming that China has sent ninja assassins to kill him?

Or am I the only one that thinks these Tom Clancy-ish stuff is ridiculous?

August 17, 2005 @ 12:53 pm | Comment

I haven’t heard about it. Link?

August 17, 2005 @ 1:50 pm | Comment

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