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	<title>Comments on: Mo Yan</title>
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	<description>A peculiar hybrid of personal journal, dilettantish punditry, pseudo-philosophy and much more, from an Accidental Expat who has made his way from Hong Kong to Beijing to Taipei and finally back to Beijing for reasons that are still not entirely clear to him...</description>
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		<title>By: King Tubby</title>
		<link>http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/10/mo-yan/comment-page-1/#comment-190362</link>
		<dc:creator>King Tubby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 20:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: my objection to magic realism.

&quot;Mo’s work embodies the complexity of an artist symbiotically linked to an authoritarian system, despite his frequent claims of the separation of literary and political spheres. (An argument taken up by Pankaj Mishra in relation to Western writers) Mo was a child of the post-Mao literary thaw – a generation that embraced both traditional and avant-garde aesthetics. The shattering of sexual taboo in his novel Red Sorghum was typical of his “hallucinatory realism”.
But while Mo frequently focuses on China&#039;s trouble, these were often criticisms of local exploitation and bureaucracy. His voice is aligned to a state strategy of apportioning blame away from the political centre.
The sinologist Julia Lovell has noticed that “hysterical realism”, the term coined by the literary critic James Wood to describe the chaotic language in some modern fiction, could be readily applied to Mo Yan. Instead of meaningfully engaging with moments of deep national trauma, whether the Great Leap Famine or the Cultural Revolution, Mo seeks refuge in a manic, ironic voice, that dances round open dissent.&quot;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/booknews/9743516/Nobel-winner-Mo-Yan-and-Chinas-cultural-amnesia.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: my objection to magic realism.</p>
<p>&#8220;Mo’s work embodies the complexity of an artist symbiotically linked to an authoritarian system, despite his frequent claims of the separation of literary and political spheres. (An argument taken up by Pankaj Mishra in relation to Western writers) Mo was a child of the post-Mao literary thaw – a generation that embraced both traditional and avant-garde aesthetics. The shattering of sexual taboo in his novel Red Sorghum was typical of his “hallucinatory realism”.<br />
But while Mo frequently focuses on China&#8217;s trouble, these were often criticisms of local exploitation and bureaucracy. His voice is aligned to a state strategy of apportioning blame away from the political centre.<br />
The sinologist Julia Lovell has noticed that “hysterical realism”, the term coined by the literary critic James Wood to describe the chaotic language in some modern fiction, could be readily applied to Mo Yan. Instead of meaningfully engaging with moments of deep national trauma, whether the Great Leap Famine or the Cultural Revolution, Mo seeks refuge in a manic, ironic voice, that dances round open dissent.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/booknews/9743516/Nobel-winner-Mo-Yan-and-Chinas-cultural-amnesia.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/booknews/9743516/Nobel-winner-Mo-Yan-and-Chinas-cultural-amnesia.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gil (AKA FOARP)</title>
		<link>http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/10/mo-yan/comment-page-1/#comment-186619</link>
		<dc:creator>Gil (AKA FOARP)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 06:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Jason, apparently that&#039;s really what is happening . . . . or, people are complaining because only 3 east Asian actors are included in the cast of 17, with the rest being white/black/south Asian. This is, as is pointed out, not a race-specific production.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Jason, apparently that&#8217;s really what is happening . . . . or, people are complaining because only 3 east Asian actors are included in the cast of 17, with the rest being white/black/south Asian. This is, as is pointed out, not a race-specific production.</p>
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		<title>By: Handler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Handler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 06:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeay for the subset of perpetually wounded overseas Chinese. If they don&#039;t look good, you don&#039;t look good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeay for the subset of perpetually wounded overseas Chinese. If they don&#8217;t look good, you don&#8217;t look good.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 05:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of Chinese literature, Royals Shakespeare Company casts Asians as dogs and maid in the Chinese classic play, &quot;The Orphan of Zhao&quot; while main characters are White.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage/2012/oct/19/royal-shakespeare-company-asian-actors</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of Chinese literature, Royals Shakespeare Company casts Asians as dogs and maid in the Chinese classic play, &#8220;The Orphan of Zhao&#8221; while main characters are White.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage/2012/oct/19/royal-shakespeare-company-asian-actors" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage/2012/oct/19/royal-shakespeare-company-asian-actors</a></p>
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		<title>By: King Tubby</title>
		<link>http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/10/mo-yan/comment-page-1/#comment-186580</link>
		<dc:creator>King Tubby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2012 01:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ jer. Your retraction is  graciously accepted. 
Okay, okay Sino lit is not my strong point,  but I did do a nice piece on Serial Killers in China and Officialdom Fiction: Riders on the Sino Storm, so I&#039;m not a totally empty vessel .

You are welcome to visit my site where you will note that my strengths relate to Asian surfing girls and Malian music/ethnography. 
I&#039;d like to see Mr O&#039;Kane beat that combination.

Thanks for the link Richard which I visited before commenting.

I saw Bokane&#039;s piece as a neat western bookend to the Beijing&#039;s Mo Mania narrative, which has now gone into overdrive. Vials of dirt taken from his hometown are now going on sale across China.

Further more, I particularly dislike the magical realist genre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ jer. Your retraction is  graciously accepted.<br />
Okay, okay Sino lit is not my strong point,  but I did do a nice piece on Serial Killers in China and Officialdom Fiction: Riders on the Sino Storm, so I&#8217;m not a totally empty vessel .</p>
<p>You are welcome to visit my site where you will note that my strengths relate to Asian surfing girls and Malian music/ethnography.<br />
I&#8217;d like to see Mr O&#8217;Kane beat that combination.</p>
<p>Thanks for the link Richard which I visited before commenting.</p>
<p>I saw Bokane&#8217;s piece as a neat western bookend to the Beijing&#8217;s Mo Mania narrative, which has now gone into overdrive. Vials of dirt taken from his hometown are now going on sale across China.</p>
<p>Further more, I particularly dislike the magical realist genre.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2012 00:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_literature</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_literature" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_literature</a></p>
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		<title>By: jer</title>
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		<dc:creator>jer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 22:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ King Tubby

You wrote (#8): &quot;Prejudiced …. sure. Ignoramus… Here I take respectful exception, since that’s libelous.&quot;	

I charged you with being an ignoramus because of the following claim (#4): 	

&quot;Name me twenty (1 every 100 years) books evenly spread across this alleged 2,000 years. O’Kane couldn’t if he tried, and neither could the collective chatterati on this site... Can’t be done, even if we threw in a truckload of Officialdom Fiction.&quot;

Who but a complete ignoramus could possibly believe such a  gobsmackingly &amp; obviously untrue statement?

In retrospect, however, &amp; having looked at a few of your other posts, I realise that it&#039;s more likely that you intended your claim simply as a wind-up, while knowing it all the while to be utter BS. In which case I&#039;m happy to withdraw the word &quot;ignoramus&quot;. (Being only an occasional lurker on this site I am obviously not as familiar with your posting style as some of the others on here are.)

In case, however, you really do think that no-one here can name you one &quot;book&quot; for every 100 years of the last 2000 years, (approximately evenly spread), I&#039;m pretty sure that I can oblige. I&#039;m even more sure that Mr O&#039;Kane could. But anyway, since when has that been a defining criterion for the existence of a literary tradition?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ King Tubby</p>
<p>You wrote (#8): &#8220;Prejudiced …. sure. Ignoramus… Here I take respectful exception, since that’s libelous.&#8221;	</p>
<p>I charged you with being an ignoramus because of the following claim (#4): 	</p>
<p>&#8220;Name me twenty (1 every 100 years) books evenly spread across this alleged 2,000 years. O’Kane couldn’t if he tried, and neither could the collective chatterati on this site&#8230; Can’t be done, even if we threw in a truckload of Officialdom Fiction.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who but a complete ignoramus could possibly believe such a  gobsmackingly &amp; obviously untrue statement?</p>
<p>In retrospect, however, &amp; having looked at a few of your other posts, I realise that it&#8217;s more likely that you intended your claim simply as a wind-up, while knowing it all the while to be utter BS. In which case I&#8217;m happy to withdraw the word &#8220;ignoramus&#8221;. (Being only an occasional lurker on this site I am obviously not as familiar with your posting style as some of the others on here are.)</p>
<p>In case, however, you really do think that no-one here can name you one &#8220;book&#8221; for every 100 years of the last 2000 years, (approximately evenly spread), I&#8217;m pretty sure that I can oblige. I&#8217;m even more sure that Mr O&#8217;Kane could. But anyway, since when has that been a defining criterion for the existence of a literary tradition?</p>
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		<title>By: justrecently</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 10:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing wrong with your pov, &lt;b&gt;Tai De&lt;/b&gt;, but it would leave papers and bloggers with very little to write about. Btw, we&#039;ll never turn this thread into a &lt;i&gt;literaturnaya gazeta&lt;/i&gt;, I&#039;m afraid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing wrong with your pov, <b>Tai De</b>, but it would leave papers and bloggers with very little to write about. Btw, we&#8217;ll never turn this thread into a <i>literaturnaya gazeta</i>, I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
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		<title>By: Tai De</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tai De</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 19:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Chinese culture (or civilization) is a great part of human heritage.&quot;

Of course. I&#039;m not very busy with Chinese current affairs, civilization, etc.. But if I was a Chinese, the constant hullabaloo about &quot;our thousands-of-years-of-culture&quot; would embarass me. I mean, every Arab, Turk or European could make the same fuss about what he or she &quot;has&quot;. It&#039;s the same cultural area around the Mediterranean, and the same roots. But there&#039;s no need to wear that on ones sleeve. It&#039;s simply there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Chinese culture (or civilization) is a great part of human heritage.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course. I&#8217;m not very busy with Chinese current affairs, civilization, etc.. But if I was a Chinese, the constant hullabaloo about &#8220;our thousands-of-years-of-culture&#8221; would embarass me. I mean, every Arab, Turk or European could make the same fuss about what he or she &#8220;has&#8221;. It&#8217;s the same cultural area around the Mediterranean, and the same roots. But there&#8217;s no need to wear that on ones sleeve. It&#8217;s simply there.</p>
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		<title>By: justrecently</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 09:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that there is a habit of basing political claims on culture. Lots of PRC assertions are based on the assumption that Beijing were the legal successor of every fiefdom and every oracle bone that ever existed on Chinese soil (at least). That&#039;s how the CCP tries to pocket literature, too. But I do believe that there has been continuity in literature. &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Written_vernacular_Chinese&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bai hua&lt;/a&gt; spells change, but not abandonment. The Ming-dynasty novels, even if condemned by many contemporaries, were no abandonment. The &lt;i&gt;Dream of the Red Chamber&lt;/i&gt; was no abandonment.

But continuity spells no political entitlement to a particular party. Rather, Chinese culture (or civilization) is a great part of human heritage. What I do &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; believe is that the Chinese state (i. e. the party) owns it. The CCP is not, as they put it themselves, &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://chinacopyrightandmedia.wordpress.com/2011/11/09/central-committee-of-the-chinese-communist-party-decision-concerning-deepening-cultural-structural-reform/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a vigorous leader and developer of advanced Chinese culture&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;. Most of what exists in this field exists despite, not because of the CCP.

Nobody owns &lt;b&gt;Cicero&lt;/b&gt; either. But we can all read him, if we want, just as we have access to any Chinese author&#039;s works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that there is a habit of basing political claims on culture. Lots of PRC assertions are based on the assumption that Beijing were the legal successor of every fiefdom and every oracle bone that ever existed on Chinese soil (at least). That&#8217;s how the CCP tries to pocket literature, too. But I do believe that there has been continuity in literature. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Written_vernacular_Chinese" rel="nofollow">Bai hua</a> spells change, but not abandonment. The Ming-dynasty novels, even if condemned by many contemporaries, were no abandonment. The <i>Dream of the Red Chamber</i> was no abandonment.</p>
<p>But continuity spells no political entitlement to a particular party. Rather, Chinese culture (or civilization) is a great part of human heritage. What I do <i>not</i> believe is that the Chinese state (i. e. the party) owns it. The CCP is not, as they put it themselves, <i><a href="http://chinacopyrightandmedia.wordpress.com/2011/11/09/central-committee-of-the-chinese-communist-party-decision-concerning-deepening-cultural-structural-reform/" rel="nofollow">a vigorous leader and developer of advanced Chinese culture</a></i>. Most of what exists in this field exists despite, not because of the CCP.</p>
<p>Nobody owns <b>Cicero</b> either. But we can all read him, if we want, just as we have access to any Chinese author&#8217;s works.</p>
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