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	<title>Comments on: Guest Post: How America, Europe, China, and Russia enable &#8220;Democracy in International Relations&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Is China Misunderstood? And if Yes, How? &#124; Justrecently&#039;s Weblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is China Misunderstood? And if Yes, How? &#124; Justrecently&#039;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Enabling &#8220;Democracy in International Relations&#8221;, The Peking Duck (guest post), Oct 2, 2012 » Asma Al Assad, the All-Natural Beauty, The Richest [...]</description>
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		<title>By: justrecently</title>
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		<dc:creator>justrecently</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 18:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jixiang, I think the problem is that a neutral international force isn&#039;t something the UN SC powers could agree to, either. If they could, they&#039;d probably find common ground on Syria anyway, even now. A neutral force, too, needs people who decide about when it is time for that neutral force to intervene, and the question is which power (or powers) should make such a decision.

There is another problem which makes China&#039;s and Russia&#039;s positions more difficult: things may well reach a stage when intervention is morally justified - but it has to be said that the other powers, i. e. America, Europe, Turkey and the Arab League, have done a lot to aggravate the situation.

Intervention in Syria would probably encourage that kind of approach in future conflicts, too - and I don&#039;t think that this should be left out of the account. This alone is a good reason for Beijing and Moscow to oppose every further step against the Assad regime - sanctions, intervention, or whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jixiang, I think the problem is that a neutral international force isn&#8217;t something the UN SC powers could agree to, either. If they could, they&#8217;d probably find common ground on Syria anyway, even now. A neutral force, too, needs people who decide about when it is time for that neutral force to intervene, and the question is which power (or powers) should make such a decision.</p>
<p>There is another problem which makes China&#8217;s and Russia&#8217;s positions more difficult: things may well reach a stage when intervention is morally justified &#8211; but it has to be said that the other powers, i. e. America, Europe, Turkey and the Arab League, have done a lot to aggravate the situation.</p>
<p>Intervention in Syria would probably encourage that kind of approach in future conflicts, too &#8211; and I don&#8217;t think that this should be left out of the account. This alone is a good reason for Beijing and Moscow to oppose every further step against the Assad regime &#8211; sanctions, intervention, or whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: jixiang</title>
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		<dc:creator>jixiang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 06:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real point is that there is no way that any of the great powers are going to intervene to solve crises like the Syrian one in a balanced way which puts the interests of the Syrian people first. There are too many interests at stake.

Perhaps it would be better to have some sort of neutral international force, like the UN&#039;s peacekeepers but with real authority, deal with these issues. 

In any case it is almost impossible to find an objective standard to determine when it is morally acceptable to violate a country&#039;s sovereignity to protect human rights, and when it isn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real point is that there is no way that any of the great powers are going to intervene to solve crises like the Syrian one in a balanced way which puts the interests of the Syrian people first. There are too many interests at stake.</p>
<p>Perhaps it would be better to have some sort of neutral international force, like the UN&#8217;s peacekeepers but with real authority, deal with these issues. </p>
<p>In any case it is almost impossible to find an objective standard to determine when it is morally acceptable to violate a country&#8217;s sovereignity to protect human rights, and when it isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: justrecently</title>
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		<dc:creator>justrecently</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 07:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Convincing for whom?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Convincing for whom?</p>
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		<title>By: Gil (AKA FOARP)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gil (AKA FOARP)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 17:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean that &#039;sovereignty&#039; in this case is only as convincing as the military force behind it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean that &#8216;sovereignty&#8217; in this case is only as convincing as the military force behind it.</p>
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		<title>By: justrecently</title>
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		<dc:creator>justrecently</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 15:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could you re-phrase comment #4, Foarp?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could you re-phrase comment #4, Foarp?</p>
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		<title>By: Gil (AKA FOARP)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gil (AKA FOARP)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 06:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@The Clock - Lord Palmerston actually, Math would at least have got that part right. Can we have a new replacement troll? This one is broken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@The Clock &#8211; Lord Palmerston actually, Math would at least have got that part right. Can we have a new replacement troll? This one is broken.</p>
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		<title>By: The Clock</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Clock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 23:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no real friendship between countries - there&#039;s only interests.

No, that&#039;s not some view of some nasty dictator. That&#039;s a direct quote from Winston Churchill and originated from Charlese De Gaulle.

George Washington uttered something to the same effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no real friendship between countries &#8211; there&#8217;s only interests.</p>
<p>No, that&#8217;s not some view of some nasty dictator. That&#8217;s a direct quote from Winston Churchill and originated from Charlese De Gaulle.</p>
<p>George Washington uttered something to the same effect.</p>
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		<title>By: FOARP</title>
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		<dc:creator>FOARP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 14:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I do not see a sovereignty as being a bar on the protection of human rights, only the force that&#039;s behind it. Any one of the world&#039;s top miliary powers could launch a genocide and the other countries of the world would be powerless to prevent it, but this would not mean that sovereignty had trumped human rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I do not see a sovereignty as being a bar on the protection of human rights, only the force that&#8217;s behind it. Any one of the world&#8217;s top miliary powers could launch a genocide and the other countries of the world would be powerless to prevent it, but this would not mean that sovereignty had trumped human rights.</p>
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		<title>By: justrecently</title>
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		<dc:creator>justrecently</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 09:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure about Turkey, &lt;b&gt;KT&lt;/b&gt;. It may look nice for people like Erdogan, but his alliance with the Arab league is a limited-purpose alliance. They agree that they want to overthrow the Syrian regime, but they do not agree about what should replace it. The more Turkey throws its weight, the more hostility they will earn among Arabs, not least for historical reasons. Erdogan isn&#039;t good at &quot;making friends&quot;. It might be a different story if he was more broadly minded. President Gül is a much smarter politician than Erdogan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure about Turkey, <b>KT</b>. It may look nice for people like Erdogan, but his alliance with the Arab league is a limited-purpose alliance. They agree that they want to overthrow the Syrian regime, but they do not agree about what should replace it. The more Turkey throws its weight, the more hostility they will earn among Arabs, not least for historical reasons. Erdogan isn&#8217;t good at &#8220;making friends&#8221;. It might be a different story if he was more broadly minded. President Gül is a much smarter politician than Erdogan.</p>
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