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	<title>Comments on: How does Japan look at the Chinese protests?</title>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/09/how-does-japan-look-at-the-chinese-protests/comment-page-2/#comment-185098</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 18:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m closing this thread. You can continue the discussion about Japan in the thread above.</description>
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		<title>By: slim</title>
		<link>http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/09/how-does-japan-look-at-the-chinese-protests/comment-page-2/#comment-185092</link>
		<dc:creator>slim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 12:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter Lee is probably the most subtle propagandist the PRC has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Lee is probably the most subtle propagandist the PRC has.</p>
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		<title>By: S.K. Cheung</title>
		<link>http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/09/how-does-japan-look-at-the-chinese-protests/comment-page-1/#comment-185066</link>
		<dc:creator>S.K. Cheung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree the protests can&#039;t be dismissed simply because they were government-facilitated.  After all, this isn&#039;t NK, and those people came out to protest of their own volition...sort of.

The tricky part is to decipher how much of it was truly their own volition, and how much of it was the product of years and years of CCP &quot;education&quot;.  Unfortunately, that question is impossible to answer.

This does demonstrate that the CCP is willing to sacrifice foreigners (in the physical sense, with property destruction; and in the monetary sense, with trade shenanigans like increased port inspections of Japanese imports) for the purposes of making a point.  But that&#039;s really nothing new, and shouldn&#039;t be at all surprising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree the protests can&#8217;t be dismissed simply because they were government-facilitated.  After all, this isn&#8217;t NK, and those people came out to protest of their own volition&#8230;sort of.</p>
<p>The tricky part is to decipher how much of it was truly their own volition, and how much of it was the product of years and years of CCP &#8220;education&#8221;.  Unfortunately, that question is impossible to answer.</p>
<p>This does demonstrate that the CCP is willing to sacrifice foreigners (in the physical sense, with property destruction; and in the monetary sense, with trade shenanigans like increased port inspections of Japanese imports) for the purposes of making a point.  But that&#8217;s really nothing new, and shouldn&#8217;t be at all surprising.</p>
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		<title>By: t_co</title>
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		<dc:creator>t_co</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 17:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My views tend to learn towards those of Peter Lee at the Asia Times:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The preoccupation with attempts to prove the insincerity of the anti-Japanese demonstrations by demonstrating their government links is, I believe, a dangerous distraction. 

Because it seems to imply that, if the demonstrations are government-organized/facilitated/supported/condoned, they can be dismissed and, if the demonstrations are removed from the equation, the PRC&#039;s strategy on the Senkakus/Diaoyu can be dismissed as a futile exercise in Astroturfing (simulation of a grass-roots movement). 

This, I think, draws from the preconception that impassioned popular demonstrations against authoritarian regimes in the Middle East, in Russia, and in China are the only ones that matter, and if they advance the agenda of authoritarian actors, they can be ignored. 

However, the regime&#039;s intention is not to try to manufacture a false Chinese simulacrum of Tahrir Square. 

I believe the CCP is sending a series of messages to Japan and the United States via these demonstrations, and to send the message it is important that everybody is aware that they actually were state-managed. 

First, the CCP is determined not to back down in the Senkaku/Diaoyu conflict. Although Japanese Prime Minister Noda stepped in to purchase the islands as a conciliatory measure in order to short circuit a carnival of provocation planned by Shintaro Ishihara, the governor of Tokyo, the CCP whipped up anti-Japanese sentiment and demonstrations on the announcement of the purchase regardless, in order to demonstrate its deterrent capabilities in economic and diplomatic warfare or, in old-fashioned terms, fire a shot across Japan&#039;s bow. 

Second, China does not intend to provoke a military confrontation at the islands that would viscerally alarm Japan&#039;s populace and elite, and allow Japan to deploy its unanswerable geostrategic advantage: the military alliance with the United States. China&#039;s provocative movements in the waters around the islands are carried out by maritime surveillance vessels and fishing boats, not the navy. 

Instead, Japan will be confronted at its most vulnerable point: the economic interests of its corporations and the well-being of its citizens inside China. 

Third, the CCP is conveying that it can manage the unrest that goes hand-in-hand with a mass campaign, and will be prepared to escalate the damage it inflicts on Japanese businesses in China as needed despite the losses suffered by the Chinese economy and Chinese employment. 

Finally, the ultimate purpose of the furor over the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands is to demonstrate that Japan must rely on accommodation with China, as well as its alliance with the United States, to achieve peace and prosperity. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

In this regard, the protests were quite successful, in that they force Japan to recognize the limitations of its security alliance with the United States.  The US won&#039;t come riding to the rescue if Japanese businesses and investment on the mainland are burned, so Japan must rely on China to protect those.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My views tend to learn towards those of Peter Lee at the Asia Times:</p>
<blockquote><p>The preoccupation with attempts to prove the insincerity of the anti-Japanese demonstrations by demonstrating their government links is, I believe, a dangerous distraction. </p>
<p>Because it seems to imply that, if the demonstrations are government-organized/facilitated/supported/condoned, they can be dismissed and, if the demonstrations are removed from the equation, the PRC&#8217;s strategy on the Senkakus/Diaoyu can be dismissed as a futile exercise in Astroturfing (simulation of a grass-roots movement). </p>
<p>This, I think, draws from the preconception that impassioned popular demonstrations against authoritarian regimes in the Middle East, in Russia, and in China are the only ones that matter, and if they advance the agenda of authoritarian actors, they can be ignored. </p>
<p>However, the regime&#8217;s intention is not to try to manufacture a false Chinese simulacrum of Tahrir Square. </p>
<p>I believe the CCP is sending a series of messages to Japan and the United States via these demonstrations, and to send the message it is important that everybody is aware that they actually were state-managed. </p>
<p>First, the CCP is determined not to back down in the Senkaku/Diaoyu conflict. Although Japanese Prime Minister Noda stepped in to purchase the islands as a conciliatory measure in order to short circuit a carnival of provocation planned by Shintaro Ishihara, the governor of Tokyo, the CCP whipped up anti-Japanese sentiment and demonstrations on the announcement of the purchase regardless, in order to demonstrate its deterrent capabilities in economic and diplomatic warfare or, in old-fashioned terms, fire a shot across Japan&#8217;s bow. </p>
<p>Second, China does not intend to provoke a military confrontation at the islands that would viscerally alarm Japan&#8217;s populace and elite, and allow Japan to deploy its unanswerable geostrategic advantage: the military alliance with the United States. China&#8217;s provocative movements in the waters around the islands are carried out by maritime surveillance vessels and fishing boats, not the navy. </p>
<p>Instead, Japan will be confronted at its most vulnerable point: the economic interests of its corporations and the well-being of its citizens inside China. </p>
<p>Third, the CCP is conveying that it can manage the unrest that goes hand-in-hand with a mass campaign, and will be prepared to escalate the damage it inflicts on Japanese businesses in China as needed despite the losses suffered by the Chinese economy and Chinese employment. </p>
<p>Finally, the ultimate purpose of the furor over the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands is to demonstrate that Japan must rely on accommodation with China, as well as its alliance with the United States, to achieve peace and prosperity. </p></blockquote>
<p>In this regard, the protests were quite successful, in that they force Japan to recognize the limitations of its security alliance with the United States.  The US won&#8217;t come riding to the rescue if Japanese businesses and investment on the mainland are burned, so Japan must rely on China to protect those.</p>
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		<title>By: S.K. Cheung</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.K. Cheung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 04:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone wants a clear and concise explanation as to just how meaningless these islands in question are, ultimately, in the quest for natural resources, I would recommend reading &lt;a href=&quot;http://pacificrimshots.com/the-debacle-in-the-east-china-sea/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;.

Since these islands are useless from a strategic sense, it really reinforces the fact that the whole charade (from all sides) is just an elaborate chest-thumping (+/- egg throwing, +/- Toyota-burning) exercise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone wants a clear and concise explanation as to just how meaningless these islands in question are, ultimately, in the quest for natural resources, I would recommend reading <a href="http://pacificrimshots.com/the-debacle-in-the-east-china-sea/" rel="nofollow">this</a>.</p>
<p>Since these islands are useless from a strategic sense, it really reinforces the fact that the whole charade (from all sides) is just an elaborate chest-thumping (+/- egg throwing, +/- Toyota-burning) exercise.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Goldthorpe</title>
		<link>http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/09/how-does-japan-look-at-the-chinese-protests/comment-page-1/#comment-185031</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Goldthorpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 03:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aha - I see the entertainment is being formalised as I type
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/735378.shtml
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/735450.shtml

PS, ignore my comments to Cleo - I do enjoy teasing people ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aha &#8211; I see the entertainment is being formalised as I type<br />
<a href="http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/735378.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/735378.shtml</a><br />
<a href="http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/735450.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/735450.shtml</a></p>
<p>PS, ignore my comments to Cleo &#8211; I do enjoy teasing people <img src='http://www.pekingduck.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mike Goldthorpe</title>
		<link>http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/09/how-does-japan-look-at-the-chinese-protests/comment-page-1/#comment-185030</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Goldthorpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 03:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@KT, comment 43
It does look pretty flash, though.  Has a ski deck and all....though I have looked and looked but can&#039;t see the snow machines. I&#039;m guessing the entertainment and casinos are below desck ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@KT, comment 43<br />
It does look pretty flash, though.  Has a ski deck and all&#8230;.though I have looked and looked but can&#8217;t see the snow machines. I&#8217;m guessing the entertainment and casinos are below desck <img src='http://www.pekingduck.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: King Tubby</title>
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		<dc:creator>King Tubby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 00:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get off. Equine hotpot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get off. Equine hotpot.</p>
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		<title>By: Atticus Dogsbody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atticus Dogsbody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 00:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old Middle-earth wisdom.

&quot;If you find that you are riding a dead horse, get off it and run away.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old Middle-earth wisdom.</p>
<p>&#8220;If you find that you are riding a dead horse, get off it and run away.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: King Tubby</title>
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		<dc:creator>King Tubby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 23:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the only thing the aircraft carrier Liaoning is going to launch is a red carpet and Big Specs Hu in his tailored Mao suit. If the neighbors get taken by this floating gin palace, they deserve to become tributary vassals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the only thing the aircraft carrier Liaoning is going to launch is a red carpet and Big Specs Hu in his tailored Mao suit. If the neighbors get taken by this floating gin palace, they deserve to become tributary vassals.</p>
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