Comments on: Leaving China, Westernizing, Playing Victim, etc. http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/08/leaving-china-westernizing-playing-victim-etc/ A peculiar hybrid of personal journal, dilettantish punditry, pseudo-philosophy and much more, from an Accidental Expat who has made his way from Hong Kong to Beijing to Taipei and finally back to Beijing for reasons that are still not entirely clear to him... Wed, 19 Jun 2013 03:33:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: China is not worth it?? | Frankfurt FTMBA at Goethe Business School http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/08/leaving-china-westernizing-playing-victim-etc/comment-page-4/#comment-185038 China is not worth it?? | Frankfurt FTMBA at Goethe Business School Wed, 26 Sep 2012 07:45:33 +0000 http://www.pekingduck.org/?p=10583#comment-185038 [...] now,” wrote Richard Burger, who has lived in Beijing for nearly four years, on his popular blog The Peking Duck, on Aug. 14. “There is talk of the U.S. ‘falling off a financial cliff,’ but right now I [...] [...] now,” wrote Richard Burger, who has lived in Beijing for nearly four years, on his popular blog The Peking Duck, on Aug. 14. “There is talk of the U.S. ‘falling off a financial cliff,’ but right now I [...]

]]> By: China: For Many Expats, It’s Not Worth It | Open Source Thinktank http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/08/leaving-china-westernizing-playing-victim-etc/comment-page-4/#comment-184951 China: For Many Expats, It’s Not Worth It | Open Source Thinktank Mon, 24 Sep 2012 12:01:48 +0000 http://www.pekingduck.org/?p=10583#comment-184951 [...] now,” wrote Richard Burger, who has lived in Beijing for nearly four years, on his popular blog The Peking Duck, on Aug. 14. “There is talk of the U.S. ‘falling off a financial cliff,’ but right now I [...] [...] now,” wrote Richard Burger, who has lived in Beijing for nearly four years, on his popular blog The Peking Duck, on Aug. 14. “There is talk of the U.S. ‘falling off a financial cliff,’ but right now I [...]

]]> By: Laowai1979etc http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/08/leaving-china-westernizing-playing-victim-etc/comment-page-4/#comment-181566 Laowai1979etc Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:01:22 +0000 http://www.pekingduck.org/?p=10583#comment-181566 Richard, has been forever, but after that letter I thought "I wonder what is going on on Pekingduck about this" I'm at work though. so will read the 169 comments later after I'm off. Hope you are well, congrats on the book. LW Richard, has been forever, but after that letter I thought “I wonder what is going on on Pekingduck about this”

I’m at work though. so will read the 169 comments later after I’m off.

Hope you are well, congrats on the book.

LW

]]> By: S.K. Cheung http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/08/leaving-china-westernizing-playing-victim-etc/comment-page-4/#comment-181175 S.K. Cheung Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:49:14 +0000 http://www.pekingduck.org/?p=10583#comment-181175 To T-co, if only "morality chips" existed...and they could ramp up production to make enough of them to go around for all the CCP higher-ups who need them (ie. every single last one of them). "fixing" the current system might be well-intentioned, but I think ultimately futile. At some point, you have to accept that the old beater has no place to go but the scrap yard. To T-co,
if only “morality chips” existed…and they could ramp up production to make enough of them to go around for all the CCP higher-ups who need them (ie. every single last one of them).

“fixing” the current system might be well-intentioned, but I think ultimately futile. At some point, you have to accept that the old beater has no place to go but the scrap yard.

]]> By: t_co http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/08/leaving-china-westernizing-playing-victim-etc/comment-page-4/#comment-181143 t_co Wed, 22 Aug 2012 07:11:11 +0000 http://www.pekingduck.org/?p=10583#comment-181143 The only other alternative would be for the CCP to invent some sort of "morality chip" that could be implanted in all of its high-ranking members. Because under the current setup, it assumes that the higher you go, the closer you become to sprouting wings and a halo. The only other alternative would be for the CCP to invent some sort of “morality chip” that could be implanted in all of its high-ranking members. Because under the current setup, it assumes that the higher you go, the closer you become to sprouting wings and a halo.

]]> By: t_co http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/08/leaving-china-westernizing-playing-victim-etc/comment-page-4/#comment-181142 t_co Wed, 22 Aug 2012 07:08:21 +0000 http://www.pekingduck.org/?p=10583#comment-181142 That being said, the big hiccup in that line of thinking is that there is no possible transition. The Party stays around because there is no viable alternative setup--neither a national organization of comparable scope and heft, nor an ability for Chinese institutions--as they currently stand--to operate without the guidance of an essentially extralegal entity. The great challenge for the next generation of Chinese thinkers, then, is how to slowly constrain the beast, so to speak. China has grown and developed to a point where its national survival is no longer at risk from being backwards or poor. So it no longer needs one gigantic set of extralegal forces to push it forwards. Rather, things can and should be codified. The mandate the Party has from the people can and should be renewed in popular elections. But how do we get there absent violent, chaotic revolution? This is why the survival tactics of some of the hardliner Party members worry me. When they wish to forcibly integrate all the talented organizations that could possibly govern China, what ends up happening is that angry, disaffected people gravitate towards organizations which are wholly incompetent for the job they've been given. Basically, if the hardliners never allow a sane, loyal opposition to form, then they consign themselves to creating an insane, disloyal opposition, which (as the Taiping rebellion has shown) is infinitely more destructive. That being said, the big hiccup in that line of thinking is that there is no possible transition. The Party stays around because there is no viable alternative setup–neither a national organization of comparable scope and heft, nor an ability for Chinese institutions–as they currently stand–to operate without the guidance of an essentially extralegal entity.

The great challenge for the next generation of Chinese thinkers, then, is how to slowly constrain the beast, so to speak.

China has grown and developed to a point where its national survival is no longer at risk from being backwards or poor. So it no longer needs one gigantic set of extralegal forces to push it forwards. Rather, things can and should be codified. The mandate the Party has from the people can and should be renewed in popular elections. But how do we get there absent violent, chaotic revolution?

This is why the survival tactics of some of the hardliner Party members worry me. When they wish to forcibly integrate all the talented organizations that could possibly govern China, what ends up happening is that angry, disaffected people gravitate towards organizations which are wholly incompetent for the job they’ve been given. Basically, if the hardliners never allow a sane, loyal opposition to form, then they consign themselves to creating an insane, disloyal opposition, which (as the Taiping rebellion has shown) is infinitely more destructive.

]]> By: t_co http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/08/leaving-china-westernizing-playing-victim-etc/comment-page-4/#comment-181141 t_co Wed, 22 Aug 2012 06:58:04 +0000 http://www.pekingduck.org/?p=10583#comment-181141 @ SK This is why I think building one visible organization to interconnect all the levers of power in China is not such a great idea. There are simply too many levers to keep in line, too many jerks and jackasses that will abuse the existence of such an organization for their own ends. In the end, it erodes political legitimacy, it erodes social trust, it eats at the very fabric of the nation. @ SK

This is why I think building one visible organization to interconnect all the levers of power in China is not such a great idea. There are simply too many levers to keep in line, too many jerks and jackasses that will abuse the existence of such an organization for their own ends. In the end, it erodes political legitimacy, it erodes social trust, it eats at the very fabric of the nation.

]]> By: S.K. Cheung http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/08/leaving-china-westernizing-playing-victim-etc/comment-page-4/#comment-181140 S.K. Cheung Wed, 22 Aug 2012 05:43:25 +0000 http://www.pekingduck.org/?p=10583#comment-181140 http://tealeafnation.com/2012/08/mother-of-rape-victim-sentenced-to-hard-labor-chinese-blogosphere-explodes-in-indignation/ Sorry, O/T again. But it's one of those things that make you go "hmmm..." when it comes to the farce that is the CCP's legal system. http://tealeafnation.com/2012/08/mother-of-rape-victim-sentenced-to-hard-labor-chinese-blogosphere-explodes-in-indignation/

Sorry, O/T again. But it’s one of those things that make you go “hmmm…” when it comes to the farce that is the CCP’s legal system.

]]> By: Mike Goldthorpe http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/08/leaving-china-westernizing-playing-victim-etc/comment-page-4/#comment-181132 Mike Goldthorpe Wed, 22 Aug 2012 00:42:20 +0000 http://www.pekingduck.org/?p=10583#comment-181132 Aaaah, Cookster, your naivite is so touching ;-) Aaaah, Cookster, your naivite is so touching ;-)

]]> By: 译者：2012/8/17-19英文报刊原文推荐 - 本网推荐-海外评论 http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/08/leaving-china-westernizing-playing-victim-etc/comment-page-4/#comment-181112 译者：2012/8/17-19英文报刊原文推荐 - 本网推荐-海外评论 Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:36:10 +0000 http://www.pekingduck.org/?p=10583#comment-181112 [...]  ”北京烤鸭”博客：离开中国、西化、被迫害情结。。。—— [...] [...]  ”北京烤鸭”博客：离开中国、西化、被迫害情结。。。—— [...]

]]>