Alas, more tu quoques in response to Xilin in #81. You are a two-trick pony. It’s either tu quoques, or it’s irrelevant comparisons. Time to learn some new tricks, m’boy.

And what the hell is “relative Chinese male monogamy”? The gender imbalance is quite real. And the population pyramid is also getting fatter at the top and skinnier at the bottom after years of one-child policy. Though you are correct that retirees and pensioners in China cost less per capita than in some other countries, but that doesn’t mean China can escape a mathematical reality and the socio-economic costs that come with that.

I don’t think so. One million troops, machine guns and tanks say the small minority of pissants who want to destabilize China are not going to be very successful.

Xilin
Well, I’d say it’s too early to tell.

Rather, history shows that democracies are extremely unstable and prone to implosion.

The British Parliamentary monarchy is currently the most enduring political system in the world

Right, and it didn’t stop you from committing barbarous acts in India, akin to giving them a permanent death rate worse than “Great Leap Forward” in its darkest years. It was 40-50 in India and 25 under Mao during the height of his worst years. You butchered at least 250 million people by that measure, and your argument illustrates just how evil democracies can be.

The CCP has to maintain the massive rate of economic growth that has been achieved in China for the last 10 years and keep it up for another 20 years at least (some say 30).

No, it doesn’t. It’s been slowing for quite some time and sadly for some China hasn’t imploded into chaos and civil war.

Chuck in a demographic ticking timebomb and you have a serious challenge to stability.

What demographic time bomb? The so-called gender imbalance that is erased by relative Chinese male monogamy? Too many old people? Chinese elderly are not parasites.

You just don’t understand the British system Cookie. You have mentioned the CCP and how good they are at maintaining stability. Well, I’d say it’s too early to tell. On the scale of things, the CCP hasn’t been around that long and throughout it’s short history things haven’t been exactly stable.

If you want to look at stability of government try looking at the UK. The British Parliamentary monarchy is currently the most enduring political system in the world (forgive me for the hyperbole and sudden flush of patriotism, but we are hosting the olympics and we won a shitload of medals today).

The CCP has to maintain the massive rate of economic growth that has been achieved in China for the last 10 years and keep it up for another 20 years at least (some say 30). Chuck in a demographic ticking timebomb and you have a serious challenge to stability. If the CCP could maintain stability though these challenges (and the myriad others), I’d be impressed.

“You’re letting 51% of the people “decide””
—oh brother, such basic concepts that repeatedly elude you. Everyone of voting age who casts a vote is contributing to the decision. What you refer to is the group who end up getting their way. Democracy doesn’t mean everyone gets their way, but it means everyone can contribute to the final group decision/outcome. You should read a book or something, cuz you’re still fuzzy on basic points. It’s a lame point you try to make over and over, and at some point you should grow a brain.

“CCP will step down when they see fit and at their pleasure.”
—or when Chinese people have finally had enough, or if the CCP eventually has the luxury of stumbling upon an enlightened leader (especially after the dinosaurs and relics die off). But as I say, I’m happy to let Chinese people decide. I’m fairly certain they don’t need an overseas schmuck like you telling them what’s best for them.

“Who talks like this?”
—LOL. Even with the smack talk you show a disappointing lack of creativity and originality. Anyway, I have some South African and Australian friends. You do the math.

“which amounts to absolutely nothing on the individual scale.”
—but it does on a societal level.

“are you a member of the Communist party or in the process of applying?

Nope”
—oh but you should. You seem to have the perfect level of intelligence for them.

Who talks like this? No one does except fobs trying too hard to pretend they are skilled with the English language.

No, you don’t. You get one of 25+ million shares of opinion, which amounts to absolutely nothing on the individual scale.

A choice between democracy and ‘mattering on the world stage’ would be a no-brainer for me.

That’s not the choice, my tosser-giving friend. Democracy simply breaks down with larger populations.

are you a member of the Communist party or in the process of applying?

Nope

SK Cheung
how, pray tell?

For one, the use of the iron fist to keep their bankers under control.

is that sufficient to keep the CCP around? Doubt it, but I’d let Chinese people decide.

Yes, and you’re not “letting the Chinese people” decide. You’re letting 51% of the people “decide”, which in reality means the banks, military and mass media.

I mean, what normal human talks like that?

It’s pretty clear that you’re not very smart, so you don’t have to brag about your credentials on that front. It’s not surprising that the group thinkers are so in love with the idea of their ilk running nations into the ground.

End of story, the CCP will step down when they see fit and at their pleasure. Anyone who disagrees will face tanks, machine guns – and nuclear weapons if they strike from outside. So for your sake, you’re going to have to come up with more convincing arguments other than “MY FEELINGS TELL ME SO!”

On a side note, that piece was sloppy. Dewang should re-acquaint himself with a spell checker.

And for irony, the comment by Ray was priceless. Apparently he takes heart in the fact that HK voters are being more pro-Beijing based on their voting patterns (the “silent majority”, he calls it). He also wishes to see HK and mainland CHina societies coming together. Hmm…whilst Chinese patriotism is rubbing off on HKers, I wonder if voting practices will rub off the other way. Ray, m’boy, be careful what you wish for.

“Security and stability.”
—is that sufficient to keep the CCP around? Doubt it, but I’d let Chinese people decide. Is the CCP required to maintain security and stability? Doubt that too, but again I’d let Chinese people decide. It’s funny how CCP apologists like you think the CCP is doing this world of good, only you’re not confident enough to put that sentiment to the test. How precious.

“I support my ideas with facts and reality”
—seriously LOL.

To Xilin #74,
well said. Ol CM there lives in the US of A (as if there was any doubt) but he takes his verbiage and phrasing straight out of the CCP handbook, which is why we get gems like “crony figureheads hand-picked by oligarchs”. I mean, what normal human talks like that?

0.000002% of the Chinese population elect their president

So?

- Thanks for your insight.

As for your views on democracy, well, the point is I get to choose. I have my vote. If the government doesn’t perform well, then we can vote them out.

As regards the ‘world stage’…. I really couldn’t give a toss. A choice between democracy and ‘mattering on the world stage’ would be a no-brainer for me.

Just out of interest, do you live in China and are you a member of the Communist party or in the process of applying?