And now, I really AM closing this thread.

I do agree with your view of the way Sangay thinks and argues, t_co, but my view of China’s political system is much closer to Sangay’s, than to yours.

What I disagree with is the way he’s talking to you.

Sangay may be wrong, or right, but he hasn’t tried to derail the thread.

I’m not sure how the below could not be construed as derailing the thread (bolded for emphasis):

The other half is the apologists, like JAY who comes with a tag, and closet apologists like t_co who expertly plays a double role that must be publicly identified, exposed and deconstructed. What happened in GLP can’t be undone but this is what we could to ‘serve the justice’. I’m amazed at how t_co skillfully masquerades his apologist side by putting a show of siding with dissidents in denial of their rights and censorship of media by CCP that happen in general almost daily before the eyes of the world, but talk about Tibet, CR, GLP etc that CCP considers taboo and serious it’s quite apparent how he starts becoming defensive! If some of you found his above outbrust at SW ‘surprising’, think again. It’s not consistent with what he usually portrays himself to be. I’m glad to see t_co’s ground beneath his feet cracking up with SW taking the discussion in the right direction where it’s not just crime and propitiator but those who cover up and their continued role must also be discussed and exposed. These all are part and parcel of one.

That smells like a personal attack, would you not agree?

- Since CCP came into being and ruled China, they have defined Truth with their own defination and made it “relative”. (I’m not going to years prior to CCP). So dont think it’s only you who’s “trying to drive at the truth” and others not. You go on with your ‘truth’ finding mission and keep jotting down, we will go on with ours.

I don’t understand you here–are you saying that anyone who relies on factual analysis is a CCP shill, and that in order to actually find out the truth, you have to start with anti-CCP assumptions and find facts that fit them?

If that’s really the case then the real loser from CCP censorship is you, not anyone else–because if censorship forces you to start from assumptions and find facts to fit them, then it is already impossible to actually get anywhere.

I’m here to condemn all of these…and by doing so, if you (or anyone) think I’m making China look bad then it’s your problem. Just dont assume only you know how to get to the “truth” and we dont.

Condemning bad acts that occurred is one thing–all of us on this blog do it, and that’s good. Doing nothing except condemning acts that occurred is another thing entirely. If an entity does things right, and does things wrong, then wouldn’t simply focusing on one half of the story get you only halfway there? And doing what you said you would do a few comments earlier–hunting down and vilifying those who oppose your viewpoints–is yet another. That’s the behavior of a troll. I left my earlier comment on a positive note because I thought you could contribute to this blog. But seeing as how you seem hell-bent on remaining this way, I think this blog would be better off without folks like you (and MW).

“Only CCP’s conduct that can make China look bad or good”
—bingo.

That’s actually a pretty bad assumption to make–the CCP is barely 6% of the Chinese population. If, on one hand, we state that the Chinese people are not represented by the CCP, then how can we, on the other hand, state that only the CCP has the authority to determine the international perception of Chinese people?

I might be mistaken about what people here actually refer MW as…but if my understanding is correct, then I must say there you go again with your tactic. Do you really believe people who comment here, most of whom I found are well read and smart, are so dumb they can be carried away? Guess what, you re insulting their intellect!

“If trying to drive at the truth is the crime I am being charged with, then I gladly plead guilty…”

- Since CCP came into being and ruled China, they have defined Truth with their own defination and made it “relative”. (I’m not going to years prior to CCP). So dont think it’s only you who’s “trying to drive at the truth” and others not. You go on with your ‘truth’ finding mission and keep jotting down, we will go on with ours. Dont try to put word into anyone’s mouth, people who read it are smarter than you and me (incase you didnt know)and they are capable of deciding for themselves.

And for your kind information, I’m not here to make China look good or bad nor I assume anyone here is for that purpose. Only CCP’s conduct that can make China look bad or good, and the world has the ability to decide if China is bad or good based on their conduct. China began invading Tibet in early 1950s, toppled the country’s central govt in Lhasa in 1959 and took control since; killed tens of millions of its people in the name of CR, GLP; killed 100s in TS; killed 1000s of FLG practioners…all these beside violations of human rights, kidnapping, disappearance of dissidents etc that happen almost daily in China. I’m here to condemn all of these…and by doing so, if you (or anyone) think I’m making China look bad then it’s your problem. Just dont assume only you know how to get to the “truth” and we dont.

Which might lead to a new policy – of making the CCP’s useful idiots useful to oneself. I know that this is kind of cynical, but it may amount to a constructive approach, too.