Comments on: Foreign Devils http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/05/foreign-devils/ A peculiar hybrid of personal journal, dilettantish punditry, pseudo-philosophy and much more, from an Accidental Expat who has made his way from Hong Kong to Beijing to Taipei and finally back to Beijing for reasons that are still not entirely clear to him... Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:50:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Richard http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/05/foreign-devils/comment-page-4/#comment-175674 Richard Mon, 28 May 2012 23:55:32 +0000 http://www.pekingduck.org/?p=10184#comment-175674 Enough. This thread is going to Thread Heaven. Enough. This thread is going to Thread Heaven.

]]> By: S.K. Cheung http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/05/foreign-devils/comment-page-4/#comment-175650 S.K. Cheung Mon, 28 May 2012 21:43:16 +0000 http://www.pekingduck.org/?p=10184#comment-175650 Mike's link provided an example of a foreigner doing bad things in someone else's country (which is the point of the thread)...only this time the foreigner was a Chinese guy, committing murder in NZ. Does it prove any trend? No. CM's mistake was erroneously blaming the NZ government for deporting the guy or not extraditing the guy, which is factually wrong. And CM is simply not mature enough to admit a mistake. Such people annoy me. "My point was that matched for socioeconomic status, foreigners commit more crime." ---for which you have no proof. And my point is that "there is no proof that foreigners in China commit more crime per capita than locals in China per capita", which I guess you don't care to address, which is fine by me. Mike’s link provided an example of a foreigner doing bad things in someone else’s country (which is the point of the thread)…only this time the foreigner was a Chinese guy, committing murder in NZ. Does it prove any trend? No. CM’s mistake was erroneously blaming the NZ government for deporting the guy or not extraditing the guy, which is factually wrong. And CM is simply not mature enough to admit a mistake. Such people annoy me.

“My point was that matched for socioeconomic status, foreigners commit more crime.”
—for which you have no proof. And my point is that “there is no proof that foreigners in China commit more crime per capita than locals in China per capita”, which I guess you don’t care to address, which is fine by me.

]]> By: Cookie Monster http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/05/foreign-devils/comment-page-3/#comment-175648 Cookie Monster Mon, 28 May 2012 21:33:24 +0000 http://www.pekingduck.org/?p=10184#comment-175648 Cheung simply can't tolerate anyone who doesn't accept his dogma and blind faith in "democracy". Cheung simply can’t tolerate anyone who doesn’t accept his dogma and blind faith in “democracy”.

]]> By: Richard http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/05/foreign-devils/comment-page-3/#comment-175645 Richard Mon, 28 May 2012 21:26:23 +0000 http://www.pekingduck.org/?p=10184#comment-175645 Guys, can we tone it down some? It's getting really tiresome; speak your piece now because I'm going to close this thread soon. Guys, can we tone it down some? It’s getting really tiresome; speak your piece now because I’m going to close this thread soon.

]]> By: Cookie Monster http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/05/foreign-devils/comment-page-3/#comment-175639 Cookie Monster Mon, 28 May 2012 20:44:28 +0000 http://www.pekingduck.org/?p=10184#comment-175639 SK Cheung <i>except for blaming NZ over supposed extradition to save money.</i> Cry me a river. It's irrelevant. <i>The point is there is no proof that foreigners in China commit more crime per capita than locals in China per capita</i> No, it wasn't. My point was that matched for socioeconomic status, foreigners commit more crime. <i>and to suggest that foreigners in China are criminals is prejudicial, racist, and xenophobic.</i> And also not what I wrote. Enough with your race card pulling nonsense. SK Cheung
except for blaming NZ over supposed extradition to save money.

Cry me a river. It’s irrelevant.

The point is there is no proof that foreigners in China commit more crime per capita than locals in China per capita

No, it wasn’t. My point was that matched for socioeconomic status, foreigners commit more crime.

and to suggest that foreigners in China are criminals is prejudicial, racist, and xenophobic.

And also not what I wrote. Enough with your race card pulling nonsense.

]]> By: S.K. Cheung http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/05/foreign-devils/comment-page-3/#comment-175633 S.K. Cheung Mon, 28 May 2012 20:17:27 +0000 http://www.pekingduck.org/?p=10184#comment-175633 "I didn’t address the point" ---except for blaming NZ over supposed extradition to save money. It's all right there in #118 ("That he was extradited to China only reflects NZ’s wish to be relieved of the tax burden, and also harsher punishment."). That's the nice thing about these blogs...it's all there in black and white. Too bad this wasn't like a weibo post that you can delete in China, eh? Not that you're in China, of course. So, any more dumb things to say about those comparisons of yours to well-heeled traveling Chinese? The point is there is no proof that foreigners in China commit more crime per capita than locals in China per capita, and to suggest that foreigners in China are criminals is prejudicial, racist, and xenophobic. I'll cue the dance track while you prepare your next obfuscation jig. “I didn’t address the point”
—except for blaming NZ over supposed extradition to save money. It’s all right there in #118 (“That he was extradited to China only reflects NZ’s wish to be relieved of the tax burden, and also harsher punishment.”). That’s the nice thing about these blogs…it’s all there in black and white. Too bad this wasn’t like a weibo post that you can delete in China, eh? Not that you’re in China, of course.

So, any more dumb things to say about those comparisons of yours to well-heeled traveling Chinese? The point is there is no proof that foreigners in China commit more crime per capita than locals in China per capita, and to suggest that foreigners in China are criminals is prejudicial, racist, and xenophobic. I’ll cue the dance track while you prepare your next obfuscation jig.

]]> By: Cookie Monster http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/05/foreign-devils/comment-page-3/#comment-175622 Cookie Monster Mon, 28 May 2012 19:09:54 +0000 http://www.pekingduck.org/?p=10184#comment-175622 Not really, I didn't address the point because it was irrelevant to the argument in the first place. Mike was just beating his manboobs over how great NZ is. Nice try at scoring points. Typical Cheung, lose an argument and start with schoolyard insults :) Not really, I didn’t address the point because it was irrelevant to the argument in the first place. Mike was just beating his manboobs over how great NZ is.

Nice try at scoring points. Typical Cheung, lose an argument and start with schoolyard insults :)

]]> By: S.K. Cheung http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/05/foreign-devils/comment-page-3/#comment-175610 S.K. Cheung Mon, 28 May 2012 17:45:23 +0000 http://www.pekingduck.org/?p=10184#comment-175610 "Do you know what an average is?" ---yep. Except you said "traveling class Chinese earning $100,000 per year", not earning an average of 100K per year. But that's fine. Are you assuming foreigners in China make more than an AVERAGE of 100K annually? You know how this works. You say something stupid with questionable logic. I call you on it. You dance around and obfuscate for a while. I call you on it some more. Pretty soon you have nothing left...until the next time you say something stupid with questionable logic, of course. And that's a matter of when, not if. "Not even going to read it." ---no, of course not. Why would you want to read something before commenting on it, right? "and I was right." ---not only are you too stupid to realize there was no extradition or deportation involved with that case, but you lack the depth of character and quality of upbringing to simply acknowledge a factual mistake. Typical. Not that there was any doubt with you, but i still enjoy it when you actively and openly remove any of it that there was. “Do you know what an average is?”
—yep. Except you said “traveling class Chinese earning $100,000 per year”, not earning an average of 100K per year. But that’s fine. Are you assuming foreigners in China make more than an AVERAGE of 100K annually? You know how this works. You say something stupid with questionable logic. I call you on it. You dance around and obfuscate for a while. I call you on it some more. Pretty soon you have nothing left…until the next time you say something stupid with questionable logic, of course. And that’s a matter of when, not if.

“Not even going to read it.”
—no, of course not. Why would you want to read something before commenting on it, right?

“and I was right.”
—not only are you too stupid to realize there was no extradition or deportation involved with that case, but you lack the depth of character and quality of upbringing to simply acknowledge a factual mistake. Typical. Not that there was any doubt with you, but i still enjoy it when you actively and openly remove any of it that there was.

]]> By: Cookie Monster http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/05/foreign-devils/comment-page-3/#comment-175586 Cookie Monster Mon, 28 May 2012 15:48:03 +0000 http://www.pekingduck.org/?p=10184#comment-175586 Learn how to read, until then I'm not going to bother. <i>Besides, you’re also assuming every foreigner in China makes more than 100K annually.</i> Do you know what an average is? <i>BTW, how’s the review of that NZ incident going? The silence is deafening indeed.</i> Not even going to read it. There was no point to begin with, and I was right. Learn how to read, until then I’m not going to bother.

Besides, you’re also assuming every foreigner in China makes more than 100K annually.

Do you know what an average is?

BTW, how’s the review of that NZ incident going? The silence is deafening indeed.

Not even going to read it. There was no point to begin with, and I was right.

]]> By: S.K. Cheung http://www.pekingduck.org/2012/05/foreign-devils/comment-page-3/#comment-175522 S.K. Cheung Mon, 28 May 2012 05:03:35 +0000 http://www.pekingduck.org/?p=10184#comment-175522 "But yes, I’ll gladly compare the crime rates of traveling class Chinese earning $100,000 per year to that of similar foreigners there." ---huh? Where is "there"? This is what you had said in #114 ("His race does matter because (usually white or black) foreigners in Asia commit a disproportionate amount of crime for a tiny minority of “traveling class” transients."). I know you have linguistic difficulties, but your words in #114 don't sound like you were comparing the crime rate of foreigners in China with the crime rate of overseas Chinese in foreign countries. Besides, what would that have anything to do with this thread, or the xenophobia Yang Rui has spilled? This was never about Chinese being better or worse than other nationalities at being "foreigners". If that was your point, then it was pointless. This was about some wacko presumption that foreigners in China commit more crime, and the lack of basis thereof. "In fact I don’t even need to bother looking for the data that probably does not exist or would take hours" ---yeah, cuz who needs data that might not even exist in order to draw conclusions, right? "they commit more crimes than similarly well-heeled Chinese, and that’s simply not something you can deny." ---nor is it something you can prove, it would appear. Besides, you're also assuming every foreigner in China makes more than 100K annually. Is that even remotely close to reality? My guess is no, but if you can prove otherwise, I'd love to see it. "tell me the next time a Chinese man puts his feet up above a Western woman’s head and calls her a stupid cunt on public transit" ---fair enough. That guy was certainly needlessly and inexcusably rude. But that's not a crime. So it doesn't even factor into the discussion. That you need to reach for that incident in a discussion about crime is rather telling, wouldn't you say? LOL. BTW, how's the review of that NZ incident going? The silence is deafening indeed. “But yes, I’ll gladly compare the crime rates of traveling class Chinese earning $100,000 per year to that of similar foreigners there.”
—huh? Where is “there”? This is what you had said in #114 (“His race does matter because (usually white or black) foreigners in Asia commit a disproportionate amount of crime for a tiny minority of “traveling class” transients.”). I know you have linguistic difficulties, but your words in #114 don’t sound like you were comparing the crime rate of foreigners in China with the crime rate of overseas Chinese in foreign countries. Besides, what would that have anything to do with this thread, or the xenophobia Yang Rui has spilled? This was never about Chinese being better or worse than other nationalities at being “foreigners”. If that was your point, then it was pointless. This was about some wacko presumption that foreigners in China commit more crime, and the lack of basis thereof.

“In fact I don’t even need to bother looking for the data that probably does not exist or would take hours”
—yeah, cuz who needs data that might not even exist in order to draw conclusions, right?

“they commit more crimes than similarly well-heeled Chinese, and that’s simply not something you can deny.”
—nor is it something you can prove, it would appear. Besides, you’re also assuming every foreigner in China makes more than 100K annually. Is that even remotely close to reality? My guess is no, but if you can prove otherwise, I’d love to see it.

“tell me the next time a Chinese man puts his feet up above a Western woman’s head and calls her a stupid cunt on public transit”
—fair enough. That guy was certainly needlessly and inexcusably rude. But that’s not a crime. So it doesn’t even factor into the discussion. That you need to reach for that incident in a discussion about crime is rather telling, wouldn’t you say? LOL.

BTW, how’s the review of that NZ incident going? The silence is deafening indeed.

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