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This is an open thread, presuming I have any readers left who may want to chat. Apologies about the post below. Talk about Chen Guangcheng’s incredible escape, or the Bo Xilai soap opera or anything else.

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Richard Burger is the author of Behind the Red Door: Sex in China, an exploration of China's sexual revolution and its clash with traditional Chinese values.

The Discussion: 117 Comments

Cutting Meat against the grain shows the idiocy of Americans.

Cutting meat against grain works only for one situation, that is if you want to cut the meat into 1 to 2 mm thick, but most Europeans and Americans cannot achieve that anyway.

Europeans and Americans pork and beef steaks are all cut against grain, this is so stupid. They think cutting against grain breaks the fiber and makes it easy to chew.

In reality, if the meat is not cooked for a long time, cutting against grain will not decrease the toughness of the meat, and will make it get stuck into your teeth. Whenever I eat Western style pork or beef steak, I get a headache: the meat is tough, and it sticks to my teeth. That’s why Europeans and Americans invented teeth strings, and many cases of choking death, because they can’t chew the meat and try to swallow it as is.

Most Chinese people with common living sense know that meat should be cut with the grain, not against.

Because of the low intelliegence of Europeans and Americans and lack of common sense, they never understand why pork and steak must be cut with the grain. Even if European and American elites read this, they won’t change their behavior, because their brains are ossified, they ossified themselves, even if they understand the problem, they won’t take any action to correct it.

April 28, 2012 @ 7:09 am | Comment

I believe Chen Guangcheng’s escape signals the downfall of Zhou Yongkang and the huge “stability-maintenance” machine.

April 28, 2012 @ 7:44 am | Comment

All is not hopeless after all…there are still Chinese who are willing to put themselves at risk for what is right. He Peirong is one gutsy woman.

April 28, 2012 @ 8:25 am | Comment

Will this lead to something momentous? Or will it end as usual, with a few more broken bodies and many shattered hopes?

Much depends on whether CGC is holed up in the US Embassy and whether Wen Jiabao has responded to him. It may be a good sign that nothing is happening in public. But that could also mean merely that the people at the top are having trouble agreeing how to react.

Interesting times.

April 28, 2012 @ 9:18 am | Comment

CGC’s message to Wen will severely weaken the hand of Chinese reformists in the upcoming elections. His escape itself is not politically significant, but the tape is. This will make reformists that much more reluctant to associate themselves with political liberalization.

Obviously can’t speak for CGC here, but couldn’t he have waited until after the meetings to make his escape? Would have been better for long-term reform

April 28, 2012 @ 10:36 am | Comment

On the other hand, CGC will become quite a convenient rallying cry for resuscitating the left. I’d expect Global Times and Utopia to be all over this in the coming few days.

Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist or anything, but it almost makes me wonder if the United States has a vested interest in seeing Chinese politics become more polarized and acrimonious.

Why did CGC have to address his message to Premier Wen? Wen isn’t even the one in charge of security forces–his bureaucratic reach doesn’t go that far.

April 28, 2012 @ 10:40 am | Comment

@massbless

CGC’s escape will strengthen, not weaken, the Statist wing.

Maybe the US strategy with respect to China is to make the upcoming transition as bitter and divisive as possible, so that domestic political conditions will force the PLA into doing something stupid in the South China Sea.

April 28, 2012 @ 10:45 am | Comment

@ Gray Hat

Wen won’t respond to CGC. That would lose his wing all the hard-fought gains they accumulated after the Bo affair. Right now they’re actually likely in damage control.

If I were Wen, I’d ignore the whole affair and use Caijing or other reformist magazines to link CGC to Wang Lijun as examples of foreign machinations in Chinese politics.

April 28, 2012 @ 10:57 am | Comment

陈光诚, 1971年11月12日生于沂南县双堠镇东师古村。陈光诚出生五个月时,因高烧
导致青光眼,双目几乎失明。由于陈光诚从小性格孤僻、倔强,导致他心理上也不同于
常人,出人头地的想法特别强烈,看问题比较偏颇,容易产生极端想法。

Chen Guangchen, born Nov 11 1971 on Xinan Prefecture, Shuang Hou Town, Dong Gu Village. At 5 months old, due to high fever, he lost his sight. As a child, he had a alienating personality and a radicalized mentality, leading to an abnormal psychological and extreme behavior.

Spring of 2000, Chen Guangcheng, when at school in Nanjing, was contacted by “Radio Free Asia” and provided them with so called ‘information on human rights and corruption’. At the same time, he was acquianted with Han Dongfang, a Hongkong-based so called ‘democracy activist’, and again provided him with such material and in return was awarded 6800 HK dollars in cash. Later, Handong fang introduced to Chen the British Ambassador to China Wu Ruo Lan and her associates, and received 200,400 dollars in sponsorship for his ‘activities’ in China. Soon as after, he was in frequent contact with many suspect organizations overseas, continuing to provide them with “first hand material”. Using his reward money, he bought 2 luxury houses under his own name.

Nov 2005, under the pretext of ‘fighting for the rights of poor people”, Chen Guangcheng was put in charge of executing the ‘Shandong Freedom Action’ plan, organized by NED (National Endowment for Democracy, a direct affiliate of the CIA).

March 11, 2006. Chen rounded up many of his relatives and associates and blocked vehnicles on 205 Expressway for 3 hours, causing massive public disturbance. Jan 22, 2007, Lingxi Municiple People’s Court handed out a 4 year 3 months sentence to Chen for public disturbance. Chen was sent to jail on Feb 15 2007, and was released on 2010 Sept 9 after serving his full sentence.

Chen Guangcheng naively thought that by climbing up the tree of overseas anti-China forces, he would be able to enjoy a life of luxury and safety, and slowly reduced himself to a lawless citizen. To quote the words of People’s Daily on the eve of its offensive against Vietnam, Chen has ‘found the wrong boss, and miscalculated his life’

China is a socialist country with rule of law. The dignity of our laws cannot be trampled on.

April 28, 2012 @ 11:17 am | Comment

The fundamental irony in all this is that all these political machinations are being engineered by a bunch of old dudes in bad suits, while the average computer literate Chinese citizen is reduced to weibo surveys. Ahh, the ccp way.

April 28, 2012 @ 11:26 am | Comment

@ SK

I usually hate pulling the equivalency card, but you could say that American political machinations are engineered by a bunch of old dudes and Botox’d women, while the average computer literate American is reduced to opinion polls.

April 28, 2012 @ 11:33 am | Comment

Chen Guangcheng wins next year’s Nobel. Calling it here first!

April 28, 2012 @ 12:51 pm | Comment

To Red Star,
incredibly stupid as always.

None of the crap in your first 3 paragraphs justifies the fourth, which is that he was jailed for disturbing the peace or some other flimsy CCP excuse. Even if you accept that the charges against him and his subsequent conviction and incarceration are legitimate (and only the truly flaming idiots would accept that), his alleged childhood temperament and supposed prior adult acts are irrelevant.

So, Einstein, want to have a go at trying to justify what has transpired since Sept 2010, AFTER he served his sentence? This, I would love to hear.

China is a socialist regime under the CCP, sure (with loads of capitalistic Chinese characteristics, no less). But “rule of law”? Are you on glue? On a good day, the CCP has “rule by law”, which, in case you’re wondering, is not the same thing.

Pray tell, which of these supposed laws would dignify the treatment of CGC since he completed his prison sentence?

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To T-co:
some parallels, perhaps. But American machinations still have to account for what Americans want. The CCP’s machinations need not concern themselves with such petty nuisances. And while elections are but a small part of democracy, Americans do have that, which is much more than an opinion poll or a weibo survey, and is certainly much more than what Chinese citizens can say. And of course, Americans have other accoutrements of a functioning democracy, like a constitution and rule of law, and an independent judiciary, which Chinese can only dream of.( I know China has a constitution on paper, but let’s not kid ourselves). So there may be some superficial similarities, but I would hardly characterize it as equivalency.

April 28, 2012 @ 12:59 pm | Comment

Well, lets think. There are three kinds of Chinese right now. Those who are normally educated ( which can be next to none ), those who dress in the goverment clothing, and those who are not in China right now. Then over the course of years of trail and error they recycle each other. So why can’t those who are really amart enough to understand right from wrong, just do what obviously, simply needs to be done, and with all their knowledge and love just shape their nation for a better and stronger China. It is like in United States, where many of the officers were once former criminals, and they give birth to little criminals, and so forth. The criminal creation will not end until the entire force is made of non-criminals, simple as that. The world is alive, and you must play your part in it’s role. Once upon a time, street gangs were turning in other street gangs, and now they are just a bunch of brainwashed youths, playing a part which has no true end.

April 28, 2012 @ 1:01 pm | Comment

Here’s another irony. On the one hand, you have the CCP gas-bags waxing poetic about how Bo Xilai will be investigated up the wazoo in accordance with the law yada yada. Even Wen has said this. And on the other, you’ve got CGC, who had to escape in order to leave his own house. Where’s Wen when you need him, eh?

April 28, 2012 @ 1:16 pm | Comment

I don’t think Mr. Chen’s escape will have a big impact on either side – neither Zhou Yongkang & Cie., nor the “reformists”. But his getaway, and what’s preceded it, has all the makings to become part of modern-day Chinese folklore. Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose.

Maybe Chen Guangcheng is the “soft power” the CCP’s “public diplomacy” is so desperately seeking for.

April 28, 2012 @ 2:17 pm | Comment

There is so much fail in this thread already that it actually RULES. Keep at it y’allzies! 🙂

April 28, 2012 @ 2:30 pm | Comment

The thing is, I really can’t see how things are going to turn out from here. If they catch CGC in Beijing, are they really going to send him back to Linyi?

April 28, 2012 @ 2:36 pm | Comment

@ Gil

Nope. Likeliest outcome is that CGC is shipped out when Hilary comes, but his family will stay in Linyi.

April 28, 2012 @ 3:10 pm | Comment

Oh, and if anyone needs an example of why the whole “central govt = good, local govt = bad” line was always baloney, CGC’s case is as good an example as any.

@t_co – CGC should have stayed in until after the leadership handover? You are joking right?

Since the beginning of the gradual tightening of government controls in 2007-8, people have again and again assumed that at some point in the near future controls would be loosened off. First it was assumed that it would end after the Tibet riots ended, then the Olympics, then it was assumed a special measure caused by Charter 08, then the Xinjiang riots, then it was assumed that they would end after the 60th anniversary of the PRC – and whilst a slight loosening did occur in some cases, the general trend was clearly towards greater control, on the internet and elsewhere. Now we’re told this is paranoia caused by the Arab Spring (never mind that the wave of arrests of human rights activists associated with Charter 08 preceded it) and after the leadership change things should settle down. Frankly, I don’t buy it.

April 28, 2012 @ 3:12 pm | Comment

@t_co – Out of the country? What if, like LXB, he refuses exile?

April 28, 2012 @ 3:14 pm | Comment

@Gil

Frankly reform in China is pretty fragile because none of the gains of the past 5 years have been set in stone. The gains have not come because of the government–rather, they are technological. While you might think that the controls have tightened since 2007, the rise of Weibo and creation of 200 million additional internet users have created an online civil society. Without the opportunity to cement these institutions in place in a formal political ceremony like the upcoming Congress, then we risk a lot of backsliding.

What Wen is really trying to do right now is to formally induct China’s online society into the Chinese establishment. This would make this online civil society safe. From this angle, CGC’s address to Wen Jiabao from a US Embassy just touches all the wrong nerves. Since Wen, for better or worse, is the head of reform wing of the Party, Wen doesn’t need to be tarred with the brush of a high-profile dissident months before risking all of his remaining political capital on this move.

April 28, 2012 @ 5:38 pm | Comment

@Gil

To the Party heavyweights that Wen will have to convince, this sort of message would be akin to an October Surprise where Bradley Manning escapes to the Chinese embassy and then calls upon Barack Obama to protect his family from FBI surveillance.

April 28, 2012 @ 5:41 pm | Comment

I’m not questioning CGC’s sense of right or wrong here–only his value judgment in endangering the current push for reform when such a trend is far from certain.

April 28, 2012 @ 5:43 pm | Comment

@Gil

CGC wouldn’t refuse exile, or else why would he make a beeline for the Embassy?

April 28, 2012 @ 5:45 pm | Comment

What’s the alternative for CGC? Waiting for Wen to expend precious political capital to save him? Wen doesn’t even have the bureaucratic reach to do that–he’d have to reach into Zhou Yongkang’s area to pull that sort of maneuver. Even though Zhou is weaker now than a year ago, it’d still take a consensus amongst all nine members of the Standing Committee to do something like that.

Since saving him is out, CGC could then try to disappear into Chinese society without any official protection. That won’t work since the Linyi government could cause distress to CGC’s family if CGC stays quiet. So that’s out. Staying in Beijing and remaining visible appears plausible but would require a wealthy patron to keep him fed. That won’t work since wealthy patrons by extension require some sort of implicit political backing, and no Party member would sacrifice their own career to do that.

The only logical choice left is exile.

April 28, 2012 @ 5:56 pm | Comment

@t-co “CGC wouldn’t refuse exile, or else why would he make a beeline for the Embassy?”

No idea about his intentions, but embassy staff would be less likely to be put in prison for sheltering him.

That said, If I had to guess where he’d be in 2 years, I’d say living in the US.

April 28, 2012 @ 6:02 pm | Comment

I’m not questioning CGC’s sense of right or wrong here–only his value judgment in endangering the current push for reform when such a trend is far from certain.

Frankly, t_co, this is disgusting.

April 28, 2012 @ 7:42 pm | Comment

t_co

“I’m not questioning CGC’s sense of right or wrong here–only his value judgment in endangering the current push for reform when such a trend is far from certain.”

Is the “current trend for reform” going that well? How can someone calling for the rule of law “endanger” reforms based on the rule of law?

April 28, 2012 @ 9:38 pm | Comment

@t_co –

“CGC wouldn’t refuse exile, or else why would he make a beeline for the Embassy?”

Same could be asked of a certain other rumoured defector. More to the point, why would CGC defect whilst his family remains under arrest?

April 28, 2012 @ 10:33 pm | Comment

Why look at such a short term picture? Let’s think big folks.

Look at all the hard core drama stuff that can be churned out of CGC’s escape:

1. China will now have a new Noble Peace Prize Winner…. (maybe even winners):

I predict a new empty seat at this year’s Nobel Prize Ceremony…. for both CGC and the bunch of people who rescued him… who will have, by then, disappeared with no traces to be found…

Hmmm…. then again, maybe we will be seeing CGC and family collecting the Prize… he and his family could follow the Yu Jie route and move to the West. And when he collects his prize, he will dedicate it to the team of “brave, courageous and principled idealists who worked hard to help him escape at their own expanse”. Mmmmmm…… if I was an American State Department strategist, I would be rubbing my hands in glee and paying the Norwegian Nobel Prize Committee big bucks now 😛

2. CGC will produce a new best selling series of books on the inhumanity of the CCP and will be a highly sought after guest speaker by democracy and religious activists.

Yes, you heard it here first. This guy is going to be a best-selling author. I foresee two titles already: (i) Wen Jiabao Is The Best Actor 2, and (ii) Escaping Repressive Regimes 101 – A Guide For All Future Activists And Dissidents. Do note that the second book will become an important reading list for the folks stuck in Guantanamo Bay and all those CIA black prisons…. I mean, if this man can escape 90 guards (who woulda thunk…), then they can do it too!!!

3. A new blockbuster film will be made in Hollywood on this heroic flight, escape and shelter.

We need Martin Scorsese to direct this. Or maybe even Christopher Nolan. Hey, I hear Joss Wheldon is pretty good too. This is a tale for the ages that must be immortalised on film, and will serve as a great rallying movie for any dictatorship that opposes America!

4. The Commie scum will request consultations from ex-CIA agents on how to improve their “black prison” capabilities, or maybe even build a Chinese Guantanamo.

The Commie scum will admit that there are still significant weaknesses in their “terrorist / hostiles” detention and containment policy. They will pay big bucks to a couple of ex-CIA “Neil Neywood” (the latest verb for a Westerner working for the Commie scums on questionable matters) to advise them on how to improve their…. infrastructure and policies. Heck, maybe even get them to show how waterboarding is done… I read that it was pretty effective, LOL! Case study no. 1: How to ensure a Private Manning will never ever do what he did again.

5. The CIA and Mossad will have a critical reevaluation of all their black detention and containment policies.

If this man can do it, he will serve as a beacon of escape possibilities to all those under “illegal” detention by the CIA and Mossad. They will go over their system with a fine tooth comb and make sure they won’t be the world’s next laughing stock.

6. Possibility – CGC for President of China? His tagline – how I defied an entire country and flipped my middle finger to my government. The new middle class of China will lap up his message so quickly, they will overthrow the “evul evul evul” Commie scum within a year! Hu Jintao, Wen Jiabao, Jiang Zemin and Xi Jinping are going to be cellmates with Bo Xilai!

Come on folks…. utilise the unlimited creativity breadth of the human mind. The possibilities with this saga are ENDLESS!

And the best thing… the story ain’t over yet *chuckle*

April 28, 2012 @ 10:44 pm | Comment

Before we jump on TE Low’s latest silly and utterly useless screed, it’s worth remembering that Richard invited us to “say anything”.

That definitely counts as saying “anything”.

April 28, 2012 @ 11:31 pm | Comment

Come on folks…. utilise the unlimited creativity breadth of the human mind.

Not everyone here is on drugs, T E Low.

April 28, 2012 @ 11:31 pm | Comment

@t_co

“I’m not questioning CGC’s sense of right or wrong here–only his value judgment in endangering the current push for reform when such a trend is far from certain.”

How can the “current push for reform” which emphasise the rule of law be endangered by someone calling for the rule of law?

April 28, 2012 @ 11:33 pm | Comment

@ JR

How is that disgusting?

April 28, 2012 @ 11:38 pm | Comment

@t_co,

How can the “current push for reform” which emphasise the rule of law be endangered by someone calling for the rule of law?mmented on JR`s post. How about mine?

April 28, 2012 @ 11:41 pm | Comment

To Gil,
I agree. Every time there is a big event on the horizon, people want to characterize it as the upcoming big turning point. That event comes and goes, and more things stay the same. It’s people placating themselves…a coping mechanism, if you will. It gives false (or at the very least, unsubstantiated) hope. And everybody needs hope, I suppose. But like you, I’ll believe it when I see it.

To T-co,
I agree, you don’t spend months planning your escape without some sort of end-game, and the end-game that comes with a visit to a foreign embassy is political asylum. But if the US refuses him like they did to Wang, he’ll have serious problems.

I wonder what the US will do. I believe their public explanation for refusing Wang was that he represented no national security interest (and certainly with some national security cost, since taking him in would surely have pissed the heck out of China). It would seem that a similar argument exists for CGC. On the other hand, Wang was part of the establishment, whereas CGC can easily make the case that he’s being persecuted. And CGC is a far more sympathetic character to the US public. The calculus will be interesting on this one.

To TE Low,
you’ve never been more right in your life. And in CGC’s acceptance speeches, he can thank the CCP profusely, since he owes the entirety of his international notoriety to the CCP’s uncompromising dedication to the upholding of the law…with Chinese characteristics of course.

As usual, if you’re looking for someone to blame here, it’s the CCP. This doesn’t happen without the CCP’s culture of corruption and persecution, and pettiness amongst the Linyi types.

On the other hand, CGC’s illegal detention sounds like yet another big exercise in corruption, so while this incident makes them the world’s current laughing stock, I don’t think the unique circumstances are likely to be replicated elsewhere. That should allow you to sleep better at night.

April 28, 2012 @ 11:56 pm | Comment

It’s disgusting because it suggests that a man in an extreme situation should take – alleged – infighting within the political leadership into account – struggles that may not even exist. You might as well suggest that Chen should have been “more considerate about his family”. You put lipstick on a pig (suggesting that the CCP may be in a process of improving), and you insult an honest man, t_co. Chen had no reason to believe that staying where he was would “help his country” – and advising him to do so because you think otherwise is disgusting.

April 28, 2012 @ 11:57 pm | Comment

@ a couple of the amusing folks above…

Well, I am not sure whether I am on drugs or not. What I am sure about is the utter hilarity of some of the reactions and cheering on this blog. The way some of you writhe about in ecstasy at this “big slap” to the good old CPC’s face. You folks reminded me of one thing…. the cheering and celebration many folks of the Middle East did when the planes slammed into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon on 911.

Seriously, some of the things on this blog are awesome…. some very good point of views and arguments are given that encourages people to think seriously about world issues (irregardless of whether those direct issues have an impact on us or not…). The rest are just…. sheer entertainment value, LOL!!! I guess I do get my money’s worth reading the opinions here… ^_^

April 29, 2012 @ 12:35 am | Comment

@ SK

Precisely my point. CGC had months (or years) to think about what to do and the likely effects thereof.

@ JR

First, please note that the statement I made only relates to CGC’s video address to Wen Jiabao, not his act of escaping itself.

If CGC is an activist or dissident, then his responsibility is not only to himself or his family, but to his movement, to his set of ideas. The video is counterproductive to that set of ideas, for reasons discussed above. That’s all. Regardless of his intentions in making the video, we have to judge them by their effects. And they will create a chilling effect in the push for reform prior to the 18th Congress.

April 29, 2012 @ 12:38 am | Comment

You folks reminded me of one thing…. the cheering and celebration many folks of the Middle East did when the planes slammed into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon on 911.

It says something about you if you would compare an act of terrorism with a blind man running to a foreign in desperation.

April 29, 2012 @ 12:45 am | Comment

I want to second Raj on the imbecility of TE Low’s analogy. It is repellent.

There are several new comments up above that got stuck in my spam filter, so you may want to scroll through the thread to see what you missed.

April 29, 2012 @ 1:08 am | Comment

TE Low is the second coming of Red Star, Merp, and those other birds of a feather. Cut from the same intellectual cloth. Although TE comes with the added tendency of saying “irregardless”, the more for our amusement.

And just so he’s consistent with his intellectual brethren, not a peep about CGC’s illegal detention, but lots of useless fluff as in #32, not to mention the crappy and reprehensible “logic” of #40. Typical. And predictable.

To T-co,
thanks for the clarification in #41. I had the same impression as JR, that you were superimposing grand political considerations onto a guy merely trying to escape illegal detention.

But I agree that the video puts him in a different category. It does come across like a throw-down to Wen. Given the history of CCP types when they’re put in a tight spot, the prospects are not hopeful.

April 29, 2012 @ 2:26 am | Comment

First, please note that the statement I made only relates to CGC’s video address to Wen Jiabao, not his act of escaping itself.

My apologies, t_co. I misread that. I agree that Chen shouldn’t have addressed Wen Jiabao in particular. But to which push of reform are you referring?

April 29, 2012 @ 2:35 am | Comment

Cheung, it seems to me that in the situation Cheng – and especially his relatives – are in now, he clutches to the Wen-Jiabao straw, just as many people do when they want to see something “good” in the central leadership. But who wants to condemn that – as wrong as it may be? Gao Zhisheng apparently tried to turn around altogether – he was finished. But he had tried. He had been a man of courage, before he was broken.

April 29, 2012 @ 2:40 am | Comment

how amusing! first the poor guy has to spend several years in jail and under illegal house arrest (illegal even by Chinese laws), but once he gets out of there (some of his sleeping “minders” will soon change place with him), his first concern should be not to let poor uncle Wen loose his precious face…

April 29, 2012 @ 3:25 am | Comment

To JR,
having never even come close to walking a step in CGC’s shoes, I certainly won’t judge what he’s done, let alone condemn it. Appealing to Wen, as the figurehead of this supposed reform movement, however sputtering, halting, tentative, and negligible it’s been, makes sense on certain levels. And I certainly wouldn’t begrudge CGC holding out some hope for the “good” in the Politburo. Even in the video, he seems to frame some of the overt corruption as a blight that the CCP shouldn’t condone, and would want to clean up if only they were aware of the extent of the rot. Of course, I don’t think his plight in particular, nor the concepts of which he speaks in general, are of much interest to the CCP.

However, I don’t anticipate his appeal to Wen will bear much fruit.

April 29, 2012 @ 5:24 am | Comment

Thinking about it, Chen’s direct speech to Wen Jiabao isn’t wrong. I don’t believe that there will be a push for reform – the removal of Bo Xilai wasn’t reform; it was an enforcement of party discipline, by CCP logic. Bo looked like a loose cannon to the “collective leadership”.

Even if there were a genuine struggle for political reforms, Cheng’s message could cut both ways, and be used by either school.

The most reliable document we have on the CCP’s collective position re reforms is this document from the politbureau/central committee itself. There is no way to read a preparedness for political reforms into it, certainly not for the coming five years.

And different from propaganda mouthpieces and their editorials or reports, central committee decisions come closest to what is really negotiated, and negotiable – and what is not.

April 29, 2012 @ 1:14 pm | Comment

To Cheung:

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April 29, 2012 @ 1:41 pm | Comment

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