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	<description>A peculiar hybrid of personal journal, dilettantish punditry, pseudo-philosophy and much more, from an Accidental Expat who has made his way from Hong Kong to Beijing to Taipei and finally back to Beijing for reasons that are still not entirely clear to him...</description>
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		<title>By: godless</title>
		<link>http://www.pekingduck.org/2010/02/heading-to-china/comment-page-4/#comment-107936</link>
		<dc:creator>godless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 00:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Based on the last two sentences I have filed a complaint with the Department of Homeland Security to investigate your threats against a U.S. citizen while a guest in this country.&quot;

WOW!WOW!WOW!

I am truly flabberhasted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Based on the last two sentences I have filed a complaint with the Department of Homeland Security to investigate your threats against a U.S. citizen while a guest in this country.&#8221;</p>
<p>WOW!WOW!WOW!</p>
<p>I am truly flabberhasted.</p>
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		<title>By: sptwo</title>
		<link>http://www.pekingduck.org/2010/02/heading-to-china/comment-page-4/#comment-107198</link>
		<dc:creator>sptwo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Your ego is astounding, are you presuming that your own inexplicable [deleted] vendetta against the CCP is equivalent to the suffering of the victims of the Sichuan Earthquake?&lt;/i&gt;

I take this diatribe of yours as an admission that you can&#039;t explain how GWB&#039;s impunity from his actions has anything got to do with scourge of corruption under the CCP. Try harder next time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Your ego is astounding, are you presuming that your own inexplicable [deleted] vendetta against the CCP is equivalent to the suffering of the victims of the Sichuan Earthquake?</i></p>
<p>I take this diatribe of yours as an admission that you can&#8217;t explain how GWB&#8217;s impunity from his actions has anything got to do with scourge of corruption under the CCP. Try harder next time.</p>
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		<title>By: merp</title>
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		<dc:creator>merp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your ego is astounding, are you presuming that your own inexplicable [deleted] vendetta against the CCP is equivalent to the suffering of the victims of the Sichuan Earthquake?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your ego is astounding, are you presuming that your own inexplicable [deleted] vendetta against the CCP is equivalent to the suffering of the victims of the Sichuan Earthquake?</p>
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		<title>By: sptwo</title>
		<link>http://www.pekingduck.org/2010/02/heading-to-china/comment-page-4/#comment-106815</link>
		<dc:creator>sptwo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 06:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;George Bush, will ever be sentenced to anything? &lt;/i&gt;

Let me illustrate the absurdity more vividly..

Parent: (Sobs)Will justice be done? Will the Party ever bring those responsible for building &quot;tofu&quot; structures ever be sentenced? My only child has been killed by corruption!

Merp:??? What the heck are you whining about? Is there any chance that the worst war criminal of the past 30 years, George Bush, will ever be sentenced to anything?

Parent:!!!???.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>George Bush, will ever be sentenced to anything? </i></p>
<p>Let me illustrate the absurdity more vividly..</p>
<p>Parent: (Sobs)Will justice be done? Will the Party ever bring those responsible for building &#8220;tofu&#8221; structures ever be sentenced? My only child has been killed by corruption!</p>
<p>Merp:??? What the heck are you whining about? Is there any chance that the worst war criminal of the past 30 years, George Bush, will ever be sentenced to anything?</p>
<p>Parent:!!!???&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: merp</title>
		<link>http://www.pekingduck.org/2010/02/heading-to-china/comment-page-4/#comment-106748</link>
		<dc:creator>merp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 15:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@SK Cheung

Merp, you&#039;re going to have to make that comment a little nicer before it&#039;s published.

Richard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@SK Cheung</p>
<p>Merp, you&#8217;re going to have to make that comment a little nicer before it&#8217;s published.</p>
<p>Richard</p>
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		<title>By: sptwo</title>
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		<dc:creator>sptwo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 10:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;A woman killed an official and rightfully was not charged with murder&lt;/i&gt;

While the decision not to charge is one with compassion, it reflects that the current legal system in China does not allow people channels to redress their grievances against corrupt officials such that they have to take law into their own hands. A rough system you have under the Party indeed, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>A woman killed an official and rightfully was not charged with murder</i></p>
<p>While the decision not to charge is one with compassion, it reflects that the current legal system in China does not allow people channels to redress their grievances against corrupt officials such that they have to take law into their own hands. A rough system you have under the Party indeed, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Goldthorpe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Goldthorpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 08:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;and given your whining about China, and Vietnam, and Korea, I’m guessing you regret it&quot;
Whining?  Moi?  You&#039;re the one complaining about nasty ol&#039; whiteys all the time ;-)  I personally think it came out great.  Western forces got land around Shanghai, made it wildly successful, which attracted people who married and had kids and who, ultimately, begat my wife.

Je ne regret rien, old boy.

Still can&#039;t see it as the last mistake we&#039;d make...as you suggested.  We did it and, whoopsy daisy, we went and made more mistakes afterwards.  Your assertion is therefore wrong.

On another note, reading your diatribes make me smile.  Heard that purile guff so many times before, from whites, blacks, browns and yellows :-D  Reading your comment above makes sense when you play this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzeNj1vlzAk in the background ;-)

More historical resonances...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqSJzpfWRj4</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and given your whining about China, and Vietnam, and Korea, I’m guessing you regret it&#8221;<br />
Whining?  Moi?  You&#8217;re the one complaining about nasty ol&#8217; whiteys all the time <img src='http://www.pekingduck.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   I personally think it came out great.  Western forces got land around Shanghai, made it wildly successful, which attracted people who married and had kids and who, ultimately, begat my wife.</p>
<p>Je ne regret rien, old boy.</p>
<p>Still can&#8217;t see it as the last mistake we&#8217;d make&#8230;as you suggested.  We did it and, whoopsy daisy, we went and made more mistakes afterwards.  Your assertion is therefore wrong.</p>
<p>On another note, reading your diatribes make me smile.  Heard that purile guff so many times before, from whites, blacks, browns and yellows <img src='http://www.pekingduck.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' />   Reading your comment above makes sense when you play this <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzeNj1vlzAk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzeNj1vlzAk</a> in the background <img src='http://www.pekingduck.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>More historical resonances&#8230;<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqSJzpfWRj4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqSJzpfWRj4</a></p>
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		<title>By: S.K. Cheung</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.K. Cheung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 07:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To 158:
&quot;These real world accoutrements are not inherent in democracy&quot;
---then in which/what world are you arguing against democracy?  Don&#039;t know about you, but I live in the real one.  Besides, I had already said this in 156(&quot;So if your metric is “guarantee of human right”, in isolation, it’s probably a wash. Of course, the differences come with their real-world application. And if there’s one thing that the CCP is good for, it’s being a real-life cautionary tale.&quot;).

&quot;Because “mathematics” don’t predict human dynamics.&quot;
---then please share with me what testable basis you use to say that the Politburo serves the people better than the people themselves.  I&#039;d add that if your belief is based on something that&#039;s not testable...well...many people call that religion.

&quot;you live it up on the blood of the First Nations.&quot;
---you invoke this at the drop of a hat, without any clue of what you&#039;re talking about.

&quot;So, in your system, who gets to decide those?

Reason. Not the mob.&quot;
---it&#039;s like playing 20 questions with a kid.  On whose reasoning would such decisions be based?

&quot;they’re not about to kill every non-Mandarin speaker.&quot;
---and where did I suggest this?  I&#039;ve lost count of the number of times you&#039;ve argued against something I never said.  Is that fun for you?  I don&#039;t presume to know what Chinese people want, which is why I think it best if they have a system that allows them to decide for themselves.  You, on the other hand, would like to decide for them.  Rather arrogant, wouldn&#039;t you say?  Considering that you don&#039;t even live there, what makes you a better judge of what&#039;s best for them than they are?  This I&#039;d love to hear.

&quot;tyranny of the stupid based on state lines&quot;
---OMG.  Just because someone votes differently than you makes them stupid?  You have an interesting POV...rather self-centered, I&#039;d say.  Probably the same trait that allows you to think that you are better equipped to say what&#039;s better for Chinese citizens than they are.

&quot;It makes perfect sense to argue both- democracy...&quot;
---once again, &quot;both&quot; refers to characteristics of the US system.  You constantly argue against the US system and misconstrue that as an argument against democracy.  What is your impediment?

&quot;To anyone with sense, there is no reason why democrats and republicans should remain in the same country.&quot;
---yet 340 million people continue to coexist in one country.  So either 340 million people are stupid, or you are.  I wonder how the odds work out for those 2 possibilities.

&quot;A woman killed an official and rightfully was not charged with murder&quot;
---didn&#039;t you just finish trying to argue that laws are not part of democracy?  So how does the presence or absence of a murder charge have anything to do with the people&#039;s ability to exercise democratic rights, or lack thereof?  Take your time.

&quot;I could criticize the GOP in any country on the planet.&quot;
---sure you could.  But you live in a country where you can express that criticism on a ballot.  People can criticize the CCP too, and probably within China as well.  But that&#039;s as far as it goes, even if you live in China.  That, in a nutshell, would be the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To 158:<br />
&#8220;These real world accoutrements are not inherent in democracy&#8221;<br />
&#8212;then in which/what world are you arguing against democracy?  Don&#8217;t know about you, but I live in the real one.  Besides, I had already said this in 156(&#8220;So if your metric is “guarantee of human right”, in isolation, it’s probably a wash. Of course, the differences come with their real-world application. And if there’s one thing that the CCP is good for, it’s being a real-life cautionary tale.&#8221;).</p>
<p>&#8220;Because “mathematics” don’t predict human dynamics.&#8221;<br />
&#8212;then please share with me what testable basis you use to say that the Politburo serves the people better than the people themselves.  I&#8217;d add that if your belief is based on something that&#8217;s not testable&#8230;well&#8230;many people call that religion.</p>
<p>&#8220;you live it up on the blood of the First Nations.&#8221;<br />
&#8212;you invoke this at the drop of a hat, without any clue of what you&#8217;re talking about.</p>
<p>&#8220;So, in your system, who gets to decide those?</p>
<p>Reason. Not the mob.&#8221;<br />
&#8212;it&#8217;s like playing 20 questions with a kid.  On whose reasoning would such decisions be based?</p>
<p>&#8220;they’re not about to kill every non-Mandarin speaker.&#8221;<br />
&#8212;and where did I suggest this?  I&#8217;ve lost count of the number of times you&#8217;ve argued against something I never said.  Is that fun for you?  I don&#8217;t presume to know what Chinese people want, which is why I think it best if they have a system that allows them to decide for themselves.  You, on the other hand, would like to decide for them.  Rather arrogant, wouldn&#8217;t you say?  Considering that you don&#8217;t even live there, what makes you a better judge of what&#8217;s best for them than they are?  This I&#8217;d love to hear.</p>
<p>&#8220;tyranny of the stupid based on state lines&#8221;<br />
&#8212;OMG.  Just because someone votes differently than you makes them stupid?  You have an interesting POV&#8230;rather self-centered, I&#8217;d say.  Probably the same trait that allows you to think that you are better equipped to say what&#8217;s better for Chinese citizens than they are.</p>
<p>&#8220;It makes perfect sense to argue both- democracy&#8230;&#8221;<br />
&#8212;once again, &#8220;both&#8221; refers to characteristics of the US system.  You constantly argue against the US system and misconstrue that as an argument against democracy.  What is your impediment?</p>
<p>&#8220;To anyone with sense, there is no reason why democrats and republicans should remain in the same country.&#8221;<br />
&#8212;yet 340 million people continue to coexist in one country.  So either 340 million people are stupid, or you are.  I wonder how the odds work out for those 2 possibilities.</p>
<p>&#8220;A woman killed an official and rightfully was not charged with murder&#8221;<br />
&#8212;didn&#8217;t you just finish trying to argue that laws are not part of democracy?  So how does the presence or absence of a murder charge have anything to do with the people&#8217;s ability to exercise democratic rights, or lack thereof?  Take your time.</p>
<p>&#8220;I could criticize the GOP in any country on the planet.&#8221;<br />
&#8212;sure you could.  But you live in a country where you can express that criticism on a ballot.  People can criticize the CCP too, and probably within China as well.  But that&#8217;s as far as it goes, even if you live in China.  That, in a nutshell, would be the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: sptwo</title>
		<link>http://www.pekingduck.org/2010/02/heading-to-china/comment-page-4/#comment-106697</link>
		<dc:creator>sptwo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 04:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;George Bush, will ever be sentenced to anything? &lt;/i&gt;

Geez, i don&#039;t think telling them stories about Dubya will appease the anger and sadness of parents whose children died because corrupt officials built &quot;tofu&quot; school buildings to get rich and get away scot-free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>George Bush, will ever be sentenced to anything? </i></p>
<p>Geez, i don&#8217;t think telling them stories about Dubya will appease the anger and sadness of parents whose children died because corrupt officials built &#8220;tofu&#8221; school buildings to get rich and get away scot-free.</p>
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		<title>By: merp</title>
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		<dc:creator>merp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 02:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yep, the Cultural Revolution was good for the west :-) Made us rich…&lt;/i&gt;

Pure stupidity.

&lt;i&gt;Ummm, we already did it…&lt;/i&gt;

and given your whining about China, and Vietnam, and Korea, I&#039;m guessing you regret it ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Yep, the Cultural Revolution was good for the west <img src='http://www.pekingduck.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Made us rich…</i></p>
<p>Pure stupidity.</p>
<p><i>Ummm, we already did it…</i></p>
<p>and given your whining about China, and Vietnam, and Korea, I&#8217;m guessing you regret it <img src='http://www.pekingduck.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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