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The Discussion: 193 Comments

Richard, you could always come to China and start a consulting firm teaching business eithics and customer service to Chinese companies.

July 26, 2005 @ 7:28 pm | Comment

What makes you think they want to learn about those topics?

July 26, 2005 @ 7:30 pm | Comment

What happened to Windmills?

July 26, 2005 @ 7:51 pm | Comment

The Chinese already know all there is to know about ethics, fair business practices and good customer service. How do you think they manage to avoid, even accidently, being ethical entering into contracts they intend to keep or providing a reasonable level of customer service?

July 26, 2005 @ 7:53 pm | Comment

Richard, I was just being optimistic.

GWBH, It has been my experience through various encounters and observations that contracts in China are only meant to hold their foreign partners accountable while they on the other had are free to scoot around them at will.

To sum up what my wifes classmate told me yesterday. Most companies believe in Deng, “To get rich is glorious”, to provide adequate and reliable customer service is too expensive.

July 26, 2005 @ 7:59 pm | Comment

It’s like everyone thinks it their last meal,so they eat as much as they can.My former student (a doctor, now in the U.S.) told me ” I have NO future in China, I’m an honest person” Sad.

July 26, 2005 @ 8:19 pm | Comment

Kevin has the best post on Valerie Plame I have ever seen. I am pasting it all here, sorry to clog your bandwidth.

Two years ago, when the Valerie Plame affair first surfaced, the conservative response was largely one of yawning silence. Still, the conservatives who did speak up mostly conceded that, yes, if someone in the White House exposed the identity of a CIA agent, it was a bad thing to do. And if it was done as part of a political campaign to discredit a critic, it was an especially bad thing to do.

During the past month, however, the growing evidence that someone in the White House really did expose Plame has caused more than a bit of panic โ€” and a change of heart. We’ve already heard from Fox’s John Gibson, who not only thinks it was OK to expose the identity of a covert CIA agent to the press, but apparently thinks it was a positive social good. Valerie Plame “should have been outed by somebody,” he said, and Karl Rove deserves a medal for being the only guy with the guts to do it.

Since then, the proposition that it wasn’t a big deal even if the White House did out Plame, has become a routine talking point. Over at QandO, Jon Henke nicely summarizes the now standard conservative position:

If a White House official 1) consciously knew that Valerie Plame was a covert agent 2) whose identity ought to have been protected, and 3) that White House official initiated a leak of her name to the press 4) in order to disclose her identity, then he ought to be removed from his position and prosecuted.

In other words, if Rove’s failure was merely that he didn’t care enough to check on Plame’s status, then he did nothing wrong. If he knew she was covert but didn’t realize that the CIA prefers its covert agents to stay covert, then he did nothing wrong. If he knew that too, but outed Plame in a conversation that someone else initiated, then he did nothing wrong. And finally, even if he knew all those things, but his motivation was merely to score points against Joe Wilson, rather than to ruin Valerie Plame’s career, then he did nothing wrong. These criteria essentially justify in advance virtually anything that Rove might plausibly have done.

Nearly every conservative blog now follows this line. Plame wasn’t really all that covert. Rove was merely engaged in a longrunning turf battle with the CIA. Hell, somebody had to smear Joe Wilson. The guy had it coming. If that required the exposure of Plame, her front company, and potentially every source she’s ever worked with, that’s the way it goes. After all, we don’t know for sure that anything bad came of this, do we?

The moral bankruptcy at the core of this argument is truly stunning, but this weekend it got even worse. Senator Pat Roberts, the Republican chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, announced that he “intends to preside over hearings on the intelligence community’s use of covert protections for CIA agents and others involved in secret activities.”

Let that sink in. Does it sound like Roberts is concerned about CIA agents being exposed in the press? Of course not. Instead, Roberts is preemptively defending Rove by implying that perhaps the real problem is that the CIA overuses clandestine cover for its agents. The gall is almost beyond belief, especially coming from the party that keeps telling us they’re the ones who are serious about national security.

Until Patrick Fitzgerald finishes his investigation, we won’t know everything that really happened here. In fact, we still might not know even then. But we’ve learned one thing already: when presented with even a hint of evidence that someone on their team has treated national security with cavalier disdain, conservative concern with national security gets thrown overboard without a second thought. Dealing with Plamegate as a factual matter โ€” did someone in the White House expose Valerie Plame’s identity to reporters? โ€” is no longer acceptable, because, after all, when facts are involved, there’s a chance they can turn against you.

Instead, for most conservatives, Plamegate has now turned into the public relations task of convincing the public that even if Rove did out Plame, outing a covert CIA agent is a perfectly acceptable thing for a White House aide to do.

Welcome to the modern Republican Party.

July 26, 2005 @ 9:08 pm | Comment

The Chinese people are no different from any other people. As the country developed and a middle class started to reappear, the middle class paid more attention to pricing and not to quality nor to customer service. I have a good friend that is and was that way. But pretty soon he realized that a concept similar to return on investment was also applicable. In other words, if he looked at the quality of the product and maybe paid more he would be able to use it more often and with less problems. Where before he would buy the cheapest Chinese brand available, now he spends much more money on a quality product. For instance, he went out and bought a Korean TV (one big critter, paying about 11,000 RMB).

I have another friend that buys Chinese, but he will attempt to buy Hisense because of its quality reputation. Although he individual is different, in general I believe that choosing quality is a function of experience with wealth and expectations of having wealth in the future. Business does follow customer demand (although you Marxists out there believe otherwise).

July 26, 2005 @ 9:11 pm | Comment

to answer the inquiries of some readers:

bingfeng teahouse as well as hotmail and some other web sites cannot be accessed here in china, it’s not beacuse teahouse is blocked, perhaps the cables connecting the hosts of these web sites are damaged by typhoon HaiTang. thanks for your concern.

July 26, 2005 @ 9:25 pm | Comment

No mames, Quey!

July 26, 2005 @ 9:28 pm | Comment

an interesting story about chinese education system:

http://www.thebeijingnews.com/news/2005/0725/12@021435.html

http://www.zonaeuropa.com/200507brief.htm#070

July 26, 2005 @ 9:52 pm | Comment

to answer the inquiries of some readers:

I must have missed that one, because I haven’t seen anybody mention anything about it.

July 26, 2005 @ 10:18 pm | Comment

Oh but Gordon you MUST have been “concerned”! I’ve had no sleep for days, worrying about bingfeng’s teahouse being blocked.

July 26, 2005 @ 10:25 pm | Comment

You’re not alone my friends.

July 26, 2005 @ 10:27 pm | Comment

Staying away in droves.I love that one.

July 26, 2005 @ 10:51 pm | Comment

“I must have missed that one, because I haven’t seen anybody mention anything about it.

Posted by Gordon at July 26, 2005 10:18 PM”

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certainly you can’t see them, they are emails to me.

and thank you Martyn for writing to me, it’s OK and i totally agree with you.

July 27, 2005 @ 12:01 am | Comment

“Oh but Gordon you MUST have been “concerned”! I’ve had no sleep for days, worrying about bingfeng’s teahouse being blocked.

Posted by Ivan at July 26, 2005 10:25 PM”

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sorry Ivan, you are wrong. Gordon never read bingfeng teahouse, as you can find it from my blog ๐Ÿ™‚

July 27, 2005 @ 12:04 am | Comment

not mean to offense, but in Beijing dialect – Xiao Yang (รยกร‘รนยถรน)

July 27, 2005 @ 12:05 am | Comment

certainly you can’t see them, they are emails to me

From Mark Anthony Jones and Dr. Anne Myers?

July 27, 2005 @ 1:20 am | Comment

Bingfeng,
As Bugs Bunny said (in the New York dialect):
“MmmmmmWHAH! (Kissing you on the lips)

July 27, 2005 @ 1:22 am | Comment

Ivan, He NEVER brushes his teeth.It’s a sort of homage to you know who.

July 27, 2005 @ 1:24 am | Comment

“Big Blow-Hards” on my blog.

No, it’s not about Madge…

July 27, 2005 @ 1:25 am | Comment

“From Mark Anthony Jones and Dr. Anne Myers?

Posted by Conrad at July 27, 2005 01:20 AM”

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from your mama

btw, don’t read too much human-animal porn, it’s not good to ones’ health ๐Ÿ™‚

July 27, 2005 @ 1:33 am | Comment

some people do create “a free and friendly environment” in peking duck

special thanks to Gordon, Ivan, Conrad, and Amerika Mann

July 27, 2005 @ 1:44 am | Comment

How much is too much? And, given the features of some of the locals, how can one be entirely sure as to what one’s watching?

July 27, 2005 @ 1:45 am | Comment

He’s short so that one flew right over his head.

July 27, 2005 @ 1:47 am | Comment

It would be much freer and certainly friendlier if we agreed with BF at all times.Or visited his irrelevant blog.

July 27, 2005 @ 1:49 am | Comment

Bingfeng,
If you understood Bugs Bunny, you would understand that it’s VERY friendly for an American to treat you like Bugs Bunny would. It’s an invitation to lighten up and enjoy yourself like we weird Americans do…
๐Ÿ™‚

July 27, 2005 @ 1:53 am | Comment

One of my favorite quotes a friend told me came from a university professor saying, โ€œItโ€™s unfortunate that foreigners donโ€™t know that โ€œhonestyโ€ is a useless commodity in China.โ€

Whatโ€™s your favorite quote?

Iโ€™ve also created a list of things to find in China.
1. Honesty
2. Integrity
3. Empathy
4. Common Sense (A round hole deserves a round peg, so donโ€™t give me โ€œCultural Differencesโ€ speech.)

All too often Iโ€™ve heard that honesty and or showing trust is a sign of weakness and you should be taken advantage of…

Ohh, #5 Acts of Kindness (One that doesnโ€™t provide an advantage or beneficial outcome)

Whatโ€™s on your list?

July 27, 2005 @ 1:54 am | Comment

“How much is too much? And, given the features of some of the locals, how can one be entirely sure as to what one’s watching?

Posted by Conrad at July 27, 2005 01:45 AM”

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in your case, maybe not too much, keep on enjoying the human-animal porn on your laptop or from any news stories you find suit …

July 27, 2005 @ 1:55 am | Comment

Bingfeng,
I’m done with impersonating Bugs Bunny. Now I am Yosemite Sam:
“YEE-haw! Great balls o’ fire an’ tarnation, I’m a gonna HEGEMONY you, rabbit, til ya begs for mercy!
I’m a gonna hegemony and hegemony til the civet cats come home!”

July 27, 2005 @ 1:57 am | Comment

Am I missing something here?What, Exactly, is wrong with a little barnyard lovin’? It’s just the way I was raised.

July 27, 2005 @ 1:57 am | Comment

Civets are D Lish Urse.Thats how the CIA started SARS.They gave it to the Civets Knowin’ that folks would eat em. Uhuh!

July 27, 2005 @ 2:00 am | Comment

“It would be much freer and certainly friendlier if we agreed with BF at all times.Or visited his irrelevant blog.

Posted by Xena Phobia at July 27, 2005 01:49 AM”

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the peking duck will be very friendly if Amerika Mann just shut up

am i wrong?

July 27, 2005 @ 2:01 am | Comment

Bingfeng,
Now I’m Daffy Duck the Chinese Nationalist:
“Oh, NO you don’t! Taiwan is MINE!
It’s MINE! MINE! MINE!”
Then Elmer Fudd hands Taiwan to Daffy, and Taiwan blows up in Daffy’s face.
(hehehehehehe…… ๐Ÿ™‚

July 27, 2005 @ 2:02 am | Comment

That’s a damnable lie Good Ol’ Boy. The CIA could have given it to anything and the locals would still have eaten it.

July 27, 2005 @ 2:03 am | Comment

I retract.

July 27, 2005 @ 2:04 am | Comment

oops

July 27, 2005 @ 2:05 am | Comment

Let’s just all pretend we didn’t notice anything out of the ordinary.K?

July 27, 2005 @ 2:08 am | Comment

Bingfeng,
Hmm, now I’m thinking of the “Mickey Mao Club”
“Who’s the leader of the Party?
M-I-C, K-E-Y, smash all running dogs!”
“Mickey Mao,
(and Donald Duck closes his ears and shouts: “Liu ShaoQi!”
“Mickey Mao!”
(“Liu Shaoqi!”)
“Forever let us hold our banner high and SMASH ALL RIGHTIST REVISIONSISTS WHO FOLLOW DONALD DUCK!”

July 27, 2005 @ 2:10 am | Comment

Ivan,Conrad et al.I will leave him in your more than capable hands.I gotta go do my nails.

July 27, 2005 @ 2:12 am | Comment

good job Ivan, i will recommend you for the position of Creative Director at Chinese National Circus ๐Ÿ™‚

July 27, 2005 @ 2:15 am | Comment

Ivan,Conrad et al.I will leave him in your more than capable hands.I gotta go do my nails.

Posted by Xena Phobia at July 27, 2005 02:12 AM

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aufwiedersehen

Amerika ueber Alles!

July 27, 2005 @ 2:17 am | Comment

Ivan,You could be the first creative person in China.

July 27, 2005 @ 2:18 am | Comment

the GM of Chinese National Circus just called me and asked:

“would Ivan ever consider to be a performer with pandas and micky mouses”

give me a call if you are interested, Ivan.

July 27, 2005 @ 2:21 am | Comment

Sounds like a good gig.

July 27, 2005 @ 2:23 am | Comment

Hm. Well, just a BIT more seriously, after I’ve been taunting bingfeng with American cartoon characters:
Seriously, a few weeks after the liberation of Paris in 1944, an article appeared in a French newspaper (I THINK it was “Le Monde” but don’t hold me to that) – thanking Mickey Mouse. It was written very sweetly, but NOT maudlinly. The French author wrote a “letter” to “Mickey Mouse” (meaning, to all Americans), to thank Mickey Mouse for helping to liberate Paris.
And it was NOT sarcastic, it was very warm and sincere. Basically the jist of the French article was to say, that America’s sense of silliness and humor was part of what destroyed Hitler. It was a very sensitive, very wise article which said, yes America can seem silly and childish, but that is why America’s spirit is more powerful than Nazi Germany or any kind of tyranny – because humor and silliness is the first line of defense against tyranny.
(Again, this was written by the FRENCH, in 1944.)
Bingfeng, I hope you (and the CCP) will grow to understand this, over the coming decades or centuries….
๐Ÿ™‚

July 27, 2005 @ 2:25 am | Comment

I think Itchy and scratchy would be easier for them.

July 27, 2005 @ 2:29 am | Comment

Bingfeng,
Now I just saw your last comment, about me performing with pandas and Mickey Mouses. (Plural, “Mickey Mice”, please work on your grammar, bingfeng!)
Well, see my most recent comment, about what the French newspapers said about Mickey Mouse shortly after the liberation of Paris in 1944.
Bingfeng, the mark of a STRONG country, is a sense of humor. And I hope China’s leaders get one soon.

July 27, 2005 @ 2:29 am | Comment

thank you Ivan, i really enjoy your sense of humor and (you won’t believe it) arrogance.

hope you are not surprised that both me and a lot of CCP members are full of sense of humor

July 27, 2005 @ 2:32 am | Comment

“Bingfeng, the mark of a STRONG country, is a sense of humor. And I hope China’s leaders get one soon.”

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the american sense of humor here in this post is very unique, certainly it’s the mark of a strong country

July 27, 2005 @ 2:35 am | Comment

Sense of humor?

Don’t go pushing them over the edge there Ivan.

July 27, 2005 @ 2:36 am | Comment

I think Itchy and scratchy would be easier for them.

Posted by Xena Phobia at July 27, 2005 02:29 AM

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Amerika Frau is waiting for you

aufwiedersehen!

July 27, 2005 @ 2:41 am | Comment

Bingfeng,
Thanks, and sincerely I believe you’re a good guy. I wouldn’t bother arguing with you if I didn’t like you.
And I know many CCP members have a sense of humor. I have taught many CCP members, and not just young students, some of my CCP students have been middle aged civil servants. And I liked most of them. Actually I thought most of them were good people.
But I just think they will be even BETTER people, after they throw away all of their dead old Leninist ideology and take down Mao’s portrait from TienAnMen Gate. And I know many CCP members agree with me, even though they don’t say so in public.
Hey, bingfeng, just keep talking with us crazy Americans, and after a while you’ll get a real sense of humor and you can spread it around the CCP. ๐Ÿ™‚
Seriously, I think the CCP will get a lot more respect from Americans if it ever learns to laugh at itself, and to let other Chinese people laugh at it in public……

July 27, 2005 @ 2:43 am | Comment

Bingfeng,I love ya to lil’ buddy.

July 27, 2005 @ 4:14 am | Comment

too

July 27, 2005 @ 4:15 am | Comment

Binfeng,
See? All of us Americans like you.
Just keep hanging out with us, and you will learn a lot from our weird sense of humor….
๐Ÿ™‚

July 27, 2005 @ 4:25 am | Comment

And how to make proper Chinese vittles.

July 27, 2005 @ 4:29 am | Comment

Xena,
It’s pronounced, “Wittles.” Didn’t you ever read any Dickens?
“You know what Chinese wittles is?” (From “Great Expectations With Chinese Characteristics”)

July 27, 2005 @ 4:32 am | Comment

You cleeeever me not so cleeeever.My English is not well.

July 27, 2005 @ 4:35 am | Comment

or is that vell?

July 27, 2005 @ 4:36 am | Comment

Binfeng,
See? All of us Americans like you.
Just keep hanging out with us, and you will learn a lot from our weird sense of humor….
๐Ÿ™‚

Posted by Ivan at July 27, 2005 04:25 AM

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there is another name for your weird sense of humor – a six letter word with an initial of R

July 27, 2005 @ 4:40 am | Comment

Xena,
As a one-sixteenth Italian-American (who has had lots of beer by now) I say to you:
“Talk to my cousin va! Vafangul!”
And give my deep love to American Man, and remind him that I am a “top” just like Jeff Gannon….
๐Ÿ™‚
(Sorry, AM, I’m a bit drunk now…)

July 27, 2005 @ 4:41 am | Comment

Really?

July 27, 2005 @ 4:42 am | Comment

just received a mail from a reader:

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“Why do you even bother to contribute to the Peking Duck? …… do you enjoy being continually insulted and humiliated by the likes of Conrad, Gordon, America Man, Kevin, etc.?

This vicious pack always gangs up on you like this because you (a) express
views that run counter to theirs, and (b) because you’re a Chinese, and
unconsciously they consider themselves to be somehow superior to you. That’s why they all show you such little respect. ”

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July 27, 2005 @ 4:42 am | Comment

As long as the Old Chap still works.

July 27, 2005 @ 4:43 am | Comment

Bingfeng:
You said, “a six letter word with an initial of R” represents an America’s “weird sense of humor”
Do you mean: “REAGAN” ??
๐Ÿ™‚

July 27, 2005 @ 4:44 am | Comment

BingFeng, I forgive you.

July 27, 2005 @ 4:45 am | Comment

Raleigh North Carolina?Richmond,Virginia

July 27, 2005 @ 4:46 am | Comment

Rochester,Minnis…Doh!

July 27, 2005 @ 4:48 am | Comment

Bingfeng,
Please simplify it all for the person who emailed you and told you how we Americans “show you such little respect.”
It’s very simple. We Americans don’t respect ANYbody! We make fun of EVERYone!
๐Ÿ™‚

July 27, 2005 @ 4:49 am | Comment

“Bingfeng:
You said, “a six letter word with an initial of R” represents an America’s “weird sense of humor”
Do you mean: “REAGAN” ??
๐Ÿ™‚

Posted by Ivan at July 27, 2005 04:44 AM ”

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you can spell the word correctly when you look into the mirror and see your eyes

July 27, 2005 @ 4:50 am | Comment

Just makin’ a little staphococolus sue stew.

July 27, 2005 @ 4:50 am | Comment

Yeah,George Bush is a 1R2E3T4A5R6D oh……..

July 27, 2005 @ 4:52 am | Comment

“Bingfeng,

It’s very simple. We Americans don’t respect ANYbody! We make fun of EVERYone!:-)

Posted by Ivan at July 27, 2005 04:49 AM”

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certainly, including those POWs

July 27, 2005 @ 4:52 am | Comment

Both of em’.

July 27, 2005 @ 4:53 am | Comment

Now,we wouldn’t want to confuse governments and people.Oh, I forgot where I was.

July 27, 2005 @ 4:54 am | Comment

Anyone want to publish a list of ways to get your site blocked in china??? I think it would be hillarious. Perhaps getting some info from the graveyard of good blogs currently blocked.

July 27, 2005 @ 4:55 am | Comment

Bingfeng, I think the fact that you still contribute to TPD just goes to show that your mysterious reader is talking absolute rubbish and their accusations and half-baked conclusions are from a closed and uninquiring mind that is, in reality, missing a great deal of what’s going on both on TPD and the wider world.

Don’t know about you, but I would find that letter extremely patronising. It’s interesting to see that the writer is, in fact, doing far WORSE to you than what they alledge Conrad, Gordon, Kevin etc ever did.

The writer is patronising you mate. They are unnecessarily coming to your defence as if you are some poor little defencless puppy. Very, very patronising but a lot of foreigners do this—completely unaware that their good intentions are patronising. Chinese people don’t need their help and/or support. I’m sure they are quite capable of adequately looking after themselves.

You clearly don’t need their help, support or sympathy.

In fact, you could help them if you want by providing them with a serious reality check and perhaps teaching them what a sense of humour actually is. I don’t anticipate they would be very receptive or quick to learn but you’re a good guy, you can always give it a try anyway.

July 27, 2005 @ 4:58 am | Comment

Don’t cower.

July 27, 2005 @ 4:58 am | Comment

Bingfeng:
You America, you all hypocrite! You always hegemony, you never look in mirror! You America, you always make fun, never make fun youself.
You all love Reagan and hegemony, you always love your own power, you always funny but never funny on yourself!
How you can funny on China and Chairman Mao and CCP when you always hegemony and always believe your own power?
You America, many POWs and you no so funny, how you can funny on China and Mao and CCP when you hegemony on VietNam and Iraq?
You America, you not so funny.
China is rising power and we more funny than you!
Posted by Ivan’s alter ego, Ivan the Chinese Nationalist

July 27, 2005 @ 5:00 am | Comment

Whats hegemony?

July 27, 2005 @ 5:02 am | Comment

I”ve been known to patronize myself on occasion. BingFeng?

July 27, 2005 @ 5:03 am | Comment

Ivan,I need to borrow some of your $5 words.

July 27, 2005 @ 5:06 am | Comment

“Bingfeng:

You America, you all hypocrite! You always hegemony, you never look in mirror! You America, you always make fun, never make fun youself.
You all love Reagan and hegemony, you always love your own power, you always funny but never funny on yourself!
How you can funny on China and Chairman Mao and CCP when you always hegemony and always believe your own power?
You America, many POWs and you no so funny, how you can funny on China and Mao and CCP when you hegemony on VietNam and Iraq?
You America, you not so funny.
China is rising power and we more funny than you!
Posted by Ivan’s alter ego, Ivan the Chinese Nationalist

Posted by Ivan at July 27, 2005 05:00 AM”

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i think a chinese nationalist should not talk to me.

anyway, i am now even more confident to recommend you to the chinese national circus ๐Ÿ™‚

July 27, 2005 @ 5:06 am | Comment

Well he is a foreigner so you can never have enough monkey’s in the circus.

July 27, 2005 @ 5:08 am | Comment

Xena,
You asked, “What is hegemony?”
Hegemony is America. And the way to get a PhD in Political Science in China, is to say “hegemony” as often as you can.
And throw in some references to Samuel Huntington’s “Clash of Civlizations”, and just keep saying “American hegemony” and you too, YOU can be a Professor of International Politics in China!
Oh and meanwhile, just keep saying, “You American, you don’t understand China. America always want power, America hegemony, you don’t understand China, America hegemony.”

July 27, 2005 @ 5:18 am | Comment

How do you pronounce it? Is it like Heg a moe nee? Or like Hej a money?I always have trouble with the big words.

July 27, 2005 @ 5:21 am | Comment

P.S. I think I got the other part, its the damn pronunciation thing!

July 27, 2005 @ 5:22 am | Comment

Xena,
You asked, “What is hegemony?”
Hegemony is America. And the way to get a PhD in Political Science in China, is to say “hegemony” as often as you can.
And throw in some references to Samuel Huntington’s “Clash of Civlizations”, and just keep saying “American hegemony” and you too, YOU can be a Professor of International Politics in China!
Oh and meanwhile, just keep saying, “You American, you don’t understand China. America always want power, America hegemony, you don’t understand China, America hegemony.”

Posted by Ivan at July 27, 2005 05:18 AM

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“a PhD in Political Science in China”? never heard of that.

but i know how to get a PhD in political science about china in the US – just keep saying “hate CCP, hate CCP, hate CCP, hate CCP, hate CCP, hate CCP, hate CCP, hate CCP, hate CCP, hate CCP, hate CCP, ” or “CCP is evil, CCP is evilCCP is evil, CCP is evil, CCP is evil, CCP is evil, CCP is evil, CCP is evil, …”

OK, you have graduated, boy. keep on the good job

July 27, 2005 @ 5:27 am | Comment

Ivan,I much prefer T.T. Boy’s or Max Hardcore’s work to Jeff Gannon.Just a personal difference.Can we agree to disagree on this?

July 27, 2005 @ 5:30 am | Comment

Actually,I love the CCP.They will keep America in power for a long, long time.Thanks.

July 27, 2005 @ 5:31 am | Comment

“In fact, you could help them if you want by providing them with a serious reality check and perhaps teaching them what a sense of humour actually is. I don’t anticipate they would be very receptive or quick to learn but you’re a good guy, you can always give it a try anyway.

Posted by Martyn at July 27, 2005 04:58 AM ”

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Martyn,

i think guys like Gordon, Ivan, Amerika Mann are in a better position than me to help someone do a reality check.

thanks

July 27, 2005 @ 5:34 am | Comment

bingfeng, I call you a lot of things but cynical? Never. That’s cynical overkill up there.

July 27, 2005 @ 5:35 am | Comment

Also , Ivan, I bought this absolutely fabulous documentary about THE Great Man..Yep….. Mr. John Holmes.It’s called “WAD” Check it out.

July 27, 2005 @ 5:36 am | Comment

“Actually,I love the CCP.They will keep America in power for a long, long time.Thanks.

Posted by Xena Phobia at July 27, 2005 05:31 AM”

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you are welcome, Amerika Mann

more precisely, to keep the gang of pentagang in power and help them sell more weapons to taiwan

July 27, 2005 @ 5:38 am | Comment

Whatever it takes to stay on top. Just ask Ivan.

July 27, 2005 @ 5:40 am | Comment

thanks to Amerika Mann, Gordon, Ivan, the environment here today is very friendly, full of american sense of humor

i really appreciate that, and i think every chinese will appreciate that, too

July 27, 2005 @ 5:42 am | Comment

Um, bingfeng, whoever first loses his sense of humor in an argument, loses the argument.
You lose.
And more technically speaking, I’ve taught and conversed with many students and “teachers” of “international politics” in China, and universally, NONE of them know anything about the current debates in international politics outside of China, and universally, ALL of them rant on about “American Hegemony” and none of them know how to talk about anything else.
And now I am going to set my sense of humor aside and say:
It’s disgusting.
It’s disgusting, how ALL of China’s authorities on “international politics” are entirely ignorant of history or of any of the current scholarship in international relations, and ALL they know how to talk about, is, “American hegemony” Oh and yes it’s SO EASY for Chinese “scholars” to criticise OTHER countries – but I have NEVER met ANY Chinese “scholar” of “politics” who had the courage to criticise the CCP.
All they know how to do, and all they are ALLOWED to do, is to create hatred against America and Japan.
It is disgusting and poisonous, and it is very similar to what the Nazis did in German universities in the 1930s.
My sense of humor ends when it runs up against raw, ignorant hostility, such as yours, bingfeng.
And bingfeng, we Americans give a lot of slack to EVERYONE, but we draw the line when we encounter real hostility. Just ask Japan how we dealt with them after they showed us that they were really hostile to us, like you are bingfeng….
…Americans are the most generous people in the world, until you piss us off……….

July 27, 2005 @ 5:43 am | Comment

There’s the sense of humor we’ve all heard so much about.

July 27, 2005 @ 5:43 am | Comment

Ivan, Just talk to that wall in front of you .Same deal.

July 27, 2005 @ 5:50 am | Comment

Keep in mind that BingFeng is the elite.

July 27, 2005 @ 5:51 am | Comment

Grumble. Now I understand why Gordon lost his cool with… oh never mind…..

July 27, 2005 @ 5:58 am | Comment

Yeah, Just play patty- cake with yourself.You’ll learn more and your blood pressure will diminish.

July 27, 2005 @ 6:00 am | Comment

Ivan,

unfortunately, your rant are full of ignorance and bias.

“”ALL of them rant on about “American Hegemony”””

face the music, because there IS american hegemony.

“”but I have NEVER met ANY Chinese “scholar” of “politics” who had the courage to criticise the CCP.””

you didn’t meet one doesn’t mean there are none. if there is no chinese criticise CCP, especially those from CCP, china won’t make such progress today.

“”All they know how to do, and all they are ALLOWED to do, is to create hatred against America and Japan.””

Ivan, look at how Bingfeng is “welcomed” in this blog, then ask yourself why some chinese are obssessed in creating hatred against America.

“”My sense of humor ends when it runs up against raw, ignorant hostility, such as yours, bingfeng””

no, it’s the sense of humor, american style, confrontational, arrogant and ignorant. too bad an american run out of sense of humor quicker than a chinese.

“”…Americans are the most generous people in the world, until you piss us off……….””

chinese people too

July 27, 2005 @ 6:00 am | Comment

IVAN, Just play baker’s man.K?

July 27, 2005 @ 6:03 am | Comment

Actually, as an American, I see some similarities between the two.Of course I would never tell a Chinese person this.

July 27, 2005 @ 6:06 am | Comment

BingFeng,You are welcome in my house in America anytime.You can say whatever you want from my computer.My father (74 year old Conservative) will help you express your feelings.We can ALL be friends with different opinions(In America)I honestly welcome you and any of your family who would wish to visit.Get a sense of humor….Please?

July 27, 2005 @ 6:11 am | Comment

Oh, OH! Oh, now I see!
I have just opened up my Little Red Book, of the sayings of Mao.
And now I see wisdom in it!
I turned a few pages of my Little Red Book of the Sayings of Mao, and then I paused, and I looked up to the sky, and I held out my fist and raised up my chin….
….and then I became a Communist.
Just half an hour ago.
And so, now I promise to bingfeng, that I will NEVER say anything unfriendly to the Communist Party, never again!
I started to read the sayings of Mao, and NOW I understand!
And now I say:
Xena, and American Man, you are a silly and foolish lackey of American hegemony, drowning in the foolishness of your false consciousness!
And Richard, same goes for you!
And Gordon….well, Gordon, I’ll see you at the Struggle Meeting…..
Thank you bingfeng! And thank you Chairmain Mao, for reforming my false consciousness!
Now I am going to beat up and torture some teachers, as Mao taught me to do…….
Thank you bingfeng! And thank you Chairman Mao, my God, the red sun in my heart, Mao who will live for ten thousand years!

July 27, 2005 @ 6:11 am | Comment

“”Actually, as an American, I see some similarities between the two.Of course I would never tell a Chinese person this.

Posted by Xena Phobia at July 27, 2005 06:06 AM””

——————-

finally get over the hangover?

wnanna some smirnoff?

July 27, 2005 @ 6:12 am | Comment

Bingfeng,

I’ve been biting my tongue for awhile and now I just have say it – YOUR FULL OF SHIT!

There may be some commenters here on this site that are racist (not sure who they would be) as you imply, but it isn’t any of the ones you’ve named so far, including myself.

For you to throw out the term ‘racism’ only serves to display your own sense of inadequacy. It’s a little ‘grenade’ that is thrown out there to squash debate and open humor while trying to make everyone think they have actually done something wrong.

It is true that some of the comments on here could be mistaken as racist by Chinese viewers that possess a limited understanding of the English language as well as the humor and sarcasm that goes along with such because they have no way to put it into context. But you, you know god damned well that nobody is being racist on here..you’re just playing the race card while trying to lure everyone into feeling pitty for you.

For you to call any of us racist only means that you are a bigot, Mr. ant-Japan.

Furthermore, you throw out slurs and inuendos just as much as anyone I’ve ever seen here on TPD, so now you are not only a racist bigot, you’re also a hypocrite. WoW!

YOu may fool some people, but you don’t fool me one damn bit.

July 27, 2005 @ 6:12 am | Comment

Yep, It’s true that in China kindness IS weakness.Never again.

July 27, 2005 @ 6:14 am | Comment

Now that was condescending!

July 27, 2005 @ 6:16 am | Comment

bingfeng, americans talk about their sense of humour and it’s true they have some funny comedians on television sometimes.
but often their sense of humour runs into another characteristic: they take themselves and their country so so seriously.
in fact there is only one nation on earth which comes close to america when it comes to blind brainless patriotism — and that is china! and you know, I think the US still has a strong lead there.
I know I must watch what I say because I too have been accused of patronising you in the past, but it seems to me that, as I say, when it comes to matters of nationalism and (absence of) humour, Americans first look to remove the plank from their own eyes.

July 27, 2005 @ 6:17 am | Comment

Thank you KGB! I would agree but our food’s better.

July 27, 2005 @ 6:19 am | Comment

LOL

long live the Amerika Hegemony!

some smirnoff, Ivan?

July 27, 2005 @ 6:19 am | Comment

Bingfeng,
If I ever hear you making fun of Mao, or of the CCP, as much as I and all the rest of us Americans here make fun of OUR leaders (like Bush the idiot monkey) THEN you can talk to me about having a sense of humor.
Tell me about humor after you make fun of Mao. Tell me about humor after you make fun of the CCP, like we Americans make fun of our leaders.
I’ll start:
“What does Bill Clinton say to his wife after he’s had sex? He says, “I’ll be home in an hour, Hillary.”
Alright. Now, Bingfeng, just try. Just TRY to tell us a joke about Hu JinTao or Deng XiaoPing, or Mao.
Please, PLEASE just tell ONE nasty and offensive joke about one of the leaders of China. Can you do it, bingfeng?
๐Ÿ™‚

July 27, 2005 @ 6:19 am | Comment

I’m not sure if the comments directed to you by these guys today on this thread, bingfeng, are racist.
but like all groups of people who gang up on someone else, it makes them feel better about themselves, makes them feel smarter.

July 27, 2005 @ 6:19 am | Comment

Well,It soooo easy to feel smarter with the Fengster. Don’t Patronize. Again.

July 27, 2005 @ 6:21 am | Comment

oops, can it be I typoed earlier?! americans *should* look to remove the planks, and I’m sure many of them do … just not those commenting around now!

by the way, what’s with the hegemony thing? everyone with a brain knows that the US is the most powerful country in the world and some of its leading figures are prepared to risk innocent life in order to keep it as the most powerful country in the world.

just because the CCP criticises something … doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

July 27, 2005 @ 6:22 am | Comment

KLS,

When one person throws comments and 10 people and they return fire..it’s not ganging up.

Sorry to disappoint you.

July 27, 2005 @ 6:23 am | Comment

you don’t often hear fat americans making jokes about 9/11.

July 27, 2005 @ 6:23 am | Comment

gordon you disappoint me most times you write!!

July 27, 2005 @ 6:24 am | Comment

too bad gordon also runs out of his sense of humor, who is the next?

July 27, 2005 @ 6:27 am | Comment

What were your expectations. That Gordons a CCP apologist?

July 27, 2005 @ 6:27 am | Comment

Fengster,It’s not gonna be me.You make me laugh and laugh and laug……

July 27, 2005 @ 6:28 am | Comment

Don’t expect.

July 27, 2005 @ 6:29 am | Comment

“”Alright. Now, Bingfeng, just try. Just TRY to tell us a joke about Hu JinTao or Deng XiaoPing, or Mao.
Please, PLEASE just tell ONE nasty and offensive joke about one of the leaders of China. Can you do it, bingfeng?
:-)””

———————-

unfortunately i had one of them, go to read Bingfeng Teahouse

good luck, Ivan

July 27, 2005 @ 6:30 am | Comment

Expecting is a kind of begging.

July 27, 2005 @ 6:30 am | Comment

BingFeng will do ANYTHING to get hits.Shameless.

July 27, 2005 @ 6:31 am | Comment

KGB, I like you because you’re the opposite of me.You’re smart and you have zero sense of humor.Now go to the local.I like the John Courage meself.

July 27, 2005 @ 6:34 am | Comment

“”BingFeng will do ANYTHING to get hits.Shameless.

Posted by Xena Phobia at July 27, 2005 06:31 AM “”

———————-

i like this one, Amerika Mann ๐Ÿ™‚

btw, the chinese immigration officer who allowed you come to china is jailed by me, haha

July 27, 2005 @ 6:36 am | Comment

oh and Ivan, you said:

>

well with respect, firstly why would any chinese scholar of anything be chatting with you? Is there a paucity of donald-duck imitators in mainland academia?
secondly, in a country where criticising the CCP could lose you your job, put you in prison, and so on … why would any Chinese scholar shoot his mouth off to you, rather than to the people he knows well and trusts??

I doubt you’ll have any answer.

July 27, 2005 @ 6:36 am | Comment

ok, Ivan, it’s difficult to answer if I leave out the quote I’m taking from what you said earlier.
here it is:

I have NEVER met ANY Chinese “scholar” of “politics” who had the courage to criticise the CCP.

July 27, 2005 @ 6:37 am | Comment

Ivan is seeking the joke about chinese leader at Bingfeng Teahouse like mad, he has no time to chat right now

be patient

July 27, 2005 @ 6:38 am | Comment

C’mon guys, try and calm it down a bit, we’re all friends here at the end of the day. Best behaviour and all that.

I genuinely don’t think people are racist aginst bingfeng or anybody else on this site. Most of us live(d) in China and the very idea of racism against, for example, my Chinese mom+dad etc is ridiculous to me.

I don’t think bingfeng is accusing anyone here of being racist, even indirectly, he’s too intelligent for that kind of BS and does have a good sense of humour (unlike the person that wrote to him).

However, I’ve made views about bingfeng’s mysterious writer above so won’t repeat myself.

July 27, 2005 @ 6:41 am | Comment

Gordon, I hear you, man.
And bingfeng and KLS, here you go, I’m an American, and this is what I know about MY country’s leaders and heroes. First I’ll tell you the dirt about MY country’s leaders, and then you can tell me about China’s leaders:
1. I happen to be a cousin of George Washington. (His uncle was my direct ancestor) And it’s an open secret in my family, that George Washington stole money from his expense account while he was President.
2. Our third President, Thomas Jefferson, fathered children with one of his slaves, who was the half sister of his wife.
3. President James Buchanan was a closet homosexual. (Um, no offense to whomever – I just mean, it was a scandal at that time, and it was very dishonest of President Buchanan to cover it up)
4. President Kennedy was a whoremonger and a liar.
5. President Reagan was a borderline mental retard.
6. President Clinton lied to the American people about lots of things
7. President Bush is a TOTAL mental retard (IQ estimated at around 88) and he took our country into an illegal war.
Alright. Now, bingfeng, and other Chinese here who want Americans to criticize ourselves, THERE YOU GO!
We Americans are VERY honest about our leaders, and we criticize them, without any fear.
So, NOW, bingfeng and others, NOW, will YOU criticize YOUR leaders as much as we Americans criticize OUR leaders?
Until you do, then just shut the f— up about America’s faults. Go look at your own government’s faults and talk about it openly, before you tell us about ours.
We Americans are very open and honest about the faults of our government. So, bingfeng (and others), can you have the courage to be just as critical of YOUR government?
Well? What do you say? Will ANY Chinese people criticize THEIR leaders, as much as we Americans criticize our leaders?

July 27, 2005 @ 6:41 am | Comment

KLS, #1Probably because there is no real “Academia” in China.#2Foreigner’s are the only people(on theMainland) Chinese can trust.As for the Donald Duck thing.He looks good in feathers.So what! Are you being a gender Nazi too?

July 27, 2005 @ 6:42 am | Comment

“”I have NEVER met ANY Chinese “scholar” of “politics” who had the courage to criticise the CCP.””

———————–

maybe it’s just because Ivan has NEVER met ANY Chinese scholar or politician?

July 27, 2005 @ 6:43 am | Comment

KLS writes:

“…in a country where criticising the CCP could lose you your job, put you in prison, and so on … why would any Chinese scholar shoot his mouth off to you, rather than to the people he knows well and trusts??”

This statement merits attention as it’s something we all sometimes forget, most definitely myself. Westerners take for granted dissent and opposing views but here–only a few years ago–it could get you imprisoned or worse and now things aren’t THAT much better when it comes to directly critcising the government.

July 27, 2005 @ 6:45 am | Comment

Bingfeng, you said:
“Ivan is still seeking the joke… at binfeng teahouse…be patient…”
Seriously, man, that’s why I really do like you. ๐Ÿ™‚

July 27, 2005 @ 6:45 am | Comment

“And then I go and spoil it all by saying something stupid like I love you….I love you” Frank Sinatra.It’s his world, we all just live in it!

July 27, 2005 @ 6:46 am | Comment

you don’t have be very smart or read very widely to realise that the mainstream media in the US are scared of criticising the PRESENT american leadership.
and we all know that your average american is not particularly bright or well-educated about the world.
so, while the situation in the US is better than China in this regard and many others, it is far from perfect.

July 27, 2005 @ 6:46 am | Comment

no, bingfeng, a man of Ivan’s great and well-publicised intelligence and sensitivity to nuance would doubtless be welcomed by open arms by the great and the good in whatever country he went to (as long as they liked disney cartoons).

July 27, 2005 @ 6:49 am | Comment

oh, and Martyn, you CCP sympathiser you!

July 27, 2005 @ 6:50 am | Comment

KGB, Agreed, Now what about the Brits?Why all of this attention on America? Maybe you cats are at fault also. And maybe…just maybe there are untraveled ,uneducated,trailer Brits as well.Just curious.

July 27, 2005 @ 6:50 am | Comment

Bingfeng,
Ha! ๐Ÿ™‚ You said, “Maybe it’s because Ivan has NEVER met ANY Chinese scholar or politician?”
Good one! But yes I have met many of them, and it would be rude of me to mention their names here, don’t you think? ๐Ÿ™‚
You got me there. I can’t prove that I met them, unless I tell their names – but I would be a real piece of shit if I said their names here.
Anyway, bingfeng, even though we keep arguing with each other, I think you’re a good guy. Keep it up!
๐Ÿ™‚

July 27, 2005 @ 6:51 am | Comment

*curtsies*

July 27, 2005 @ 6:52 am | Comment

Ivan,You’re gettin weak.Lay off the booze for a little while. No cracks!

July 27, 2005 @ 6:53 am | Comment

finally, after a long time of 3 minutes, Ivan comes back without finding the joke at Bingfeng Teahouse, gesturing a V, Ivan challenges Bingfeng with more questions:”

————————————

“”So, NOW, bingfeng and others, NOW, will YOU criticize YOUR leaders as much as we Americans criticize OUR leaders?

Until you do, then just shut the f— up about America’s faults. Go look at your own government’s faults and talk about it openly, before you tell us about ours.

We Americans are very open and honest about the faults of our government. So, bingfeng (and others), can you have the courage to be just as critical of YOUR government?

Well? What do you say? Will ANY Chinese people criticize THEIR leaders, as much as we Americans criticize our leaders?””

——————————

Li Hongzhi the Guru of Fa Lun Da F@@k

anyway, your way of showing how superior you are just makes me LOL

July 27, 2005 @ 6:56 am | Comment

KLS,
If, as you say, “your average American is not particularly bright or well educated” – then how the hell did we become the big bad “Hegemonic Superpower” as the Chinese call us?
America’s power did not happen by accident. It took brains and courage, for America to rise as far as it has risen.
The ONLY flag flying on the Moon right now, is the American flag. You can stuff that into what you say about American brains. ๐Ÿ™‚

July 27, 2005 @ 6:58 am | Comment

KGB,We (US) also have a rather extensive “underground” news network.To make even the slightest comparison is ridiculous.Please,You are welcome to my ancestral home also.My mom makes a good pasty.Sort of of Cornish with N.J. characteristics.

July 27, 2005 @ 6:59 am | Comment

the US does have a hegemony (although that’s a stupid word and I think has different connotaions in Chinese, a little like the word “propaganda”). and it is the only superpower. I don’t see what is so controversial about China saying this.

I guess they don’t give the average american the chance to join NASA?

July 27, 2005 @ 7:02 am | Comment

Bingster,I still love you.You can abuse me all you want.I’ll always love you.” IIIIIIIII’lll alwaaaaays looooove yyuuuuooooooH””Will alwayyyyss loooooooove uuuuuuuuuohhhh” Go to falsetto action.

July 27, 2005 @ 7:03 am | Comment

Controversy, smontroversy.Lets be Bud’s OK?

July 27, 2005 @ 7:05 am | Comment

Sorry mates, all these are a bit too melodramatic for me. But I can’t say that I didn’t enjoy reading your comments. Good night!
P.S. Richard, I’m just posting from a different computer. Don’t worry.

July 27, 2005 @ 7:05 am | Comment

Bingfeng,
It’s easy for you to criticise Fal– G—
since the CCP’s policy is to criticise them.
But you did not answer my question. Will you criticize the CCP, or any of the leaders of China?
No, you will not. And I call you a coward for that. Americans criticize our leaders all the time, but you are too cowardly to criticize your leaders.
Unless you believe that your leaders are Gods – just like the superstitious Chinese believed for the last 5000 years, “the Emperor is GOD, the Emperor cannot be criticized, the Communist Party cannot be criticized! KOWTOW, KOWTOW to Chairman Mao! KOWTOW to the Communist Party!”

July 27, 2005 @ 7:07 am | Comment

“”The ONLY flag flying on the Moon right now, is the American flag.””

————————————

yeah, USA! USA! USA USA USA USA!!!

(i feel sort of american patriotism here, it’s great!)

too bad bingfeng the Chinese has only one joke and Li Hongzhi the guru criticise their government, we have many more jokes and many more people to criticise our government!!!

USA USA USA USA USA USA USA

July 27, 2005 @ 7:08 am | Comment

I want some of Ivan’s elixer.

July 27, 2005 @ 7:10 am | Comment

China is so backward and pathetic when I tried to get elected Chairman of the CCP no one voted for me, even though I’m the smartest person in the whole country!!! it goes to prove that the chinese don’t like democracy — otherwise why didn’t they come out and march in favour of me???

July 27, 2005 @ 7:14 am | Comment

Bingster,Chill my brother.This whole givin a shit about others is soooooo overrated.You’re right we’re wrong.

July 27, 2005 @ 7:15 am | Comment

sincere question, do americans read? i mean serious reading

July 27, 2005 @ 7:18 am | Comment

Btw,This 468 KILO motha f’n LaoWai’s got some advice for all ya’ll.If you got some acid reflux dey got the cure here. its called………sorry it’s in da Chinee.

July 27, 2005 @ 7:20 am | Comment

Well, bingfeng, you can try to laugh all you want, but the fact remains, that America went to the Moon when the Chinese were killing all of their teachers and destroying all of their ancient cultural relics and books and paintings.
When America went to the Moon in 1969, the Chinese were destroying all of their books and teachers and treasures.
And it is nothing to laugh about.
And so, I hope China will take down Mao’s portrait from TienAnMen Gate, soon. It is shameful for China to keep Mao’s picture on TienAnMen Gate. In 1969, Mao forced all of the Chinese people to be stupid and ignorant, while America went to the Moon.
If you laugh at this, then you laugh at China.

July 27, 2005 @ 7:20 am | Comment

Sincere answer, In my 4 years here I have NEVER seen a Chinese person reading for pleasure.I look for pleasure.I can’t read the word’s.

July 27, 2005 @ 7:22 am | Comment

richard, it’s me, dont worry, am just working in another place

July 27, 2005 @ 7:23 am | Comment

I’m sure some americans do read.
in fact, perhaps some americans here can tell me if this is true: is there really the american flag in every classroom in the US?

July 27, 2005 @ 7:24 am | Comment

Bingster,How are we to take your pain seriously when every school has the monster portrayed as a GOD?Just a THOUGHT.

July 27, 2005 @ 7:26 am | Comment

KGB,Did you answer my question about Britain?

July 27, 2005 @ 7:27 am | Comment

How very Fengster of you!

July 27, 2005 @ 7:28 am | Comment

Xena, you were asking if the average Brit is cleverer than the average American. the answer is yes.

July 27, 2005 @ 7:29 am | Comment

amazingly, finish the report while i am re-educated about how great the USA and american sense of humor is

July 27, 2005 @ 7:30 am | Comment

Well,KGB,This is only ONE of the similarities I spoke about.Perhaps you can enlighten us on British-ness a little.For example the IRISH question.

July 27, 2005 @ 7:30 am | Comment

KGB,I’ve actually been there.

July 27, 2005 @ 7:32 am | Comment

“”Xena, you were asking if the average Brit is cleverer than the average American. the answer is yes.

Posted by KLS at July 27, 2005 07:29 AM “”

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give me a break! you say Amerika Mann is less clever than a brit? IMOpossible!

July 27, 2005 @ 7:33 am | Comment

But you’re correct.It’s better to have been a has been than a never was.

July 27, 2005 @ 7:33 am | Comment

no sorry Xena, too complicated for you. you wouldn’t understand.

July 27, 2005 @ 7:34 am | Comment

BingFeng, We’re the same species(American and Brit).Thats why we’ve actually done something lately.

July 27, 2005 @ 7:36 am | Comment

The Brit surrenders, like they always do. G’night.

July 27, 2005 @ 7:37 am | Comment

you wouldn’t understand the “Irish question”, that is. I’m sure there are some things you can understand, Xena.

July 27, 2005 @ 7:37 am | Comment

KGB,Help me to understand.You ACT of perfection you.

July 27, 2005 @ 7:54 am | Comment

Didja have a crack at the “Mick” yourself?

July 27, 2005 @ 7:55 am | Comment

Didja?

July 27, 2005 @ 7:57 am | Comment

It’s rather easy to point fingers at the Giant, Innit?

July 27, 2005 @ 7:58 am | Comment

Oh God.

July 27, 2005 @ 8:01 am | Comment

I seem to remember that you guy’s have a bit of a Nationalism problem yourselve’s.I could be wrong. But if I’m not wrong, Don’t talk to me about anything unless you can bring something to the table your self.Fair is fair mate!Oh…and don’t forget the hooligan’s.

July 27, 2005 @ 8:05 am | Comment

Ivan, God is Mao. I meant Now……But you already know that.

July 27, 2005 @ 8:07 am | Comment

Ivan has left the building. The nihilism here has got to me.

July 27, 2005 @ 8:10 am | Comment

Yeah, I’m starting to bore myself.

July 27, 2005 @ 8:12 am | Comment

Meanwhile, KGB is havin a crack at the “Mick”

July 27, 2005 @ 8:40 am | Comment

God damn it, I wake up and there are more comments on this site than I can read in a day.

July 27, 2005 @ 9:26 am | Comment

Did you mean..Gagnumitt?

July 27, 2005 @ 9:31 am | Comment

Little empty here. Well, as the football season starts again soon, here some titbits of football-wisdom:
After the game is befor the game.
First we had no luck then also bad luck.
Anyway …

July 27, 2005 @ 1:45 pm | Comment

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