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	<title>Comments on: Interview with a 1989 demonstrator in China</title>
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	<description>A peculiar hybrid of personal journal, dilettantish punditry, pseudo-philosophy and much more, from an Accidental Expat who has made his way from Hong Kong to Beijing to Taipei and finally back to Beijing for reasons that are still not entirely clear to him...</description>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.pekingduck.org/2003/12/interview-with-a-1989-demonstrator-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-109401</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 04:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wait for about 20 years when most of the leaders involved in the event are dead, files will be declassified and fair judgement will be given. For now, keeping making money!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wait for about 20 years when most of the leaders involved in the event are dead, files will be declassified and fair judgement will be given. For now, keeping making money!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Goldthorpe</title>
		<link>http://www.pekingduck.org/2003/12/interview-with-a-1989-demonstrator-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-103051</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Goldthorpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All Chinese I know from China think maybe Deng was right.  Of course, if they read about what happened, they mention that maybe it was handled a bit brutally (most don&#039;t cos most aren&#039;t told that bit) but the end results speak for themselves.
Of course, we have no way of knowing how things would have panned out had the events of 1989 gone the other way.  We can speculate but we&#039;ll never know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All Chinese I know from China think maybe Deng was right.  Of course, if they read about what happened, they mention that maybe it was handled a bit brutally (most don&#8217;t cos most aren&#8217;t told that bit) but the end results speak for themselves.<br />
Of course, we have no way of knowing how things would have panned out had the events of 1989 gone the other way.  We can speculate but we&#8217;ll never know.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.pekingduck.org/2003/12/interview-with-a-1989-demonstrator-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-103044</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, his view reflects that of nearly every Chinese person I&#039;ve ever spoken with, from various economic strata. They all believe Deng did what had to be done, and that it paved the way to China&#039;s success. Money talks, and Deng let them make money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, his view reflects that of nearly every Chinese person I&#8217;ve ever spoken with, from various economic strata. They all believe Deng did what had to be done, and that it paved the way to China&#8217;s success. Money talks, and Deng let them make money.</p>
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		<title>By: Franklin Pendergast</title>
		<link>http://www.pekingduck.org/2003/12/interview-with-a-1989-demonstrator-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-103042</link>
		<dc:creator>Franklin Pendergast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...my mother was among the first batch of scholars who were sent abroad to study, and she went to Harvard&quot;

The evaluation of Deng and the post-Tiananmen reform era looks very different when you are among the elite at the top of the class hierarchy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;my mother was among the first batch of scholars who were sent abroad to study, and she went to Harvard&#8221;</p>
<p>The evaluation of Deng and the post-Tiananmen reform era looks very different when you are among the elite at the top of the class hierarchy.</p>
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		<title>By: MatthewTan</title>
		<link>http://www.pekingduck.org/2003/12/interview-with-a-1989-demonstrator-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-83774</link>
		<dc:creator>MatthewTan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 01:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;a year after it started?&quot;

I will not challenge you even though I doubt it.  I confess this time I didn&#039;t follow news so intensely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a year after it started?&#8221;</p>
<p>I will not challenge you even though I doubt it.  I confess this time I didn&#8217;t follow news so intensely.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.pekingduck.org/2003/12/interview-with-a-1989-demonstrator-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-83763</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, bad news - you really &lt;i&gt;are &lt;/i&gt; &quot;that stupid.&quot;  Here, look:

Me &lt;i&gt;&quot;P.S. Are you aware that most Americans were against the Iraq war about a year after it started? Did you know we elected a new government despite our “brainwashing”?&quot;

You: You don&#039;t come and bluff me. I followed the news intensively.

Powell argued for it with a silly satellite photo at the UN.  I did&#039;t known the Congress can be so stupid.&lt;/i&gt;

Um, did you see where I wrote &quot;about a year &lt;i&gt;after it started&lt;/i&gt;?

About your being &quot;insignificant,&quot; well, who am I to judge?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, bad news &#8211; you really <i>are </i> &#8220;that stupid.&#8221;  Here, look:</p>
<p>Me <i>&#8220;P.S. Are you aware that most Americans were against the Iraq war about a year after it started? Did you know we elected a new government despite our “brainwashing”?&#8221;</p>
<p>You: You don&#8217;t come and bluff me. I followed the news intensively.</p>
<p>Powell argued for it with a silly satellite photo at the UN.  I did&#8217;t known the Congress can be so stupid.</i></p>
<p>Um, did you see where I wrote &#8220;about a year <i>after it started</i>?</p>
<p>About your being &#8220;insignificant,&#8221; well, who am I to judge?</p>
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		<title>By: MatthewTan</title>
		<link>http://www.pekingduck.org/2003/12/interview-with-a-1989-demonstrator-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-83753</link>
		<dc:creator>MatthewTan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;No wonder the Chinese have no respect for US democracy.&quot;

I should have said &quot;the Chinese are determined not to copy Western models of democracy&quot;.

I have no respect for Congressmen of 1992.

Forget about me.  I am too insignificant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No wonder the Chinese have no respect for US democracy.&#8221;</p>
<p>I should have said &#8220;the Chinese are determined not to copy Western models of democracy&#8221;.</p>
<p>I have no respect for Congressmen of 1992.</p>
<p>Forget about me.  I am too insignificant.</p>
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		<title>By: MatthewTan</title>
		<link>http://www.pekingduck.org/2003/12/interview-with-a-1989-demonstrator-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-83752</link>
		<dc:creator>MatthewTan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;P.S. Are you aware that most Americans were against the Iraq war about a year after it started? Did you know we elected a new government despite our “brainwashing”?&quot;

You don&#039;t come and bluff me. I followed the news intensively. 

Powell argued for it with a silly satellite photo at the UN.  I did&#039;t known the Congress can be so stupid.

The whole Congress voted in 1992 that Tibet and surrounding Tibetan territories were &quot;occupied country&quot; invaded by China.  No wonder the Chinese have no respect for US democracy.  How can an electoral system voted representives who were so easily bought over by a few Tibet Lobby groups?

US Congress may have a good case and good moral high ground, if and only if, the entire White population quit the Whole Continent, and other &quot;occupied countries&quot; all over the world.  

If you are not an eyewitness to Tiananmen, please shut up. I have other informants telling me that it was violent.  But I want to hear from eyewitnesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;P.S. Are you aware that most Americans were against the Iraq war about a year after it started? Did you know we elected a new government despite our “brainwashing”?&#8221;</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t come and bluff me. I followed the news intensively. </p>
<p>Powell argued for it with a silly satellite photo at the UN.  I did&#8217;t known the Congress can be so stupid.</p>
<p>The whole Congress voted in 1992 that Tibet and surrounding Tibetan territories were &#8220;occupied country&#8221; invaded by China.  No wonder the Chinese have no respect for US democracy.  How can an electoral system voted representives who were so easily bought over by a few Tibet Lobby groups?</p>
<p>US Congress may have a good case and good moral high ground, if and only if, the entire White population quit the Whole Continent, and other &#8220;occupied countries&#8221; all over the world.  </p>
<p>If you are not an eyewitness to Tiananmen, please shut up. I have other informants telling me that it was violent.  But I want to hear from eyewitnesses.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.pekingduck.org/2003/12/interview-with-a-1989-demonstrator-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-83666</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 06:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Matthew. We all know how caring the Chinese government has been for the poor people of this world and the powerless. We know they would never exploit their poor with cruel taxes and corrupt practices. Poor people in China can protest anytime there is a problem, and the Chinese government will always see justice is done. I&#039;m so jealous. It must be like paradise, to be a peasant in the far reaches of China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Matthew. We all know how caring the Chinese government has been for the poor people of this world and the powerless. We know they would never exploit their poor with cruel taxes and corrupt practices. Poor people in China can protest anytime there is a problem, and the Chinese government will always see justice is done. I&#8217;m so jealous. It must be like paradise, to be a peasant in the far reaches of China.</p>
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		<title>By: MatthewTan</title>
		<link>http://www.pekingduck.org/2003/12/interview-with-a-1989-demonstrator-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-83665</link>
		<dc:creator>MatthewTan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 03:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Let’s not forget the fact that they have been brainwashed to support the Iraq War. Imagine what will happen to China if China has that kind of democracy?

The Americans can afford being brainwashed into the Iraq War. They are so rich. They don&#039;t spare a thought for the poor peoples of the world. When they count the casualty of the war, they always forget to count the number of Iraqis who have been killed, injured, forced to leave their homeland, etc.  American lives have more market value than Iraqi lives. Iraelist lives are more precious than Palestinian lives. Palestinians do not deserve life support. Israel do. Irael is justified to have the Bomb, and certainly that means Israel is justified to use the Bomb.  But not Iran.  Not North Korea.   Of course, banish the thought that Palestinian can have the Bomb for self-defense.

The Americans can afford being brainwashed into the Iraq War. They are so rich. So they thought.  Maybe the financial crisis today is the answer for the pride of their nation. God has to make them suffer, so that they can understand the sufferings, and priority of poor peoples of the world.  Not human rights. Chinese people were still worrying about food and shelter 15 - 20 years ago.  Those sicken Americans (and Taiwanese and Hongkongites) want the Chinese people to worry about human rights and voting rights. They are real sick, sicken people. 

Chinese people can be assured that most Singaporeans will support you on the priority of human needs.  Because we know, our prosperity is very very fragile. We are expecting a recession to the magnitude of -5 to -8 per cent.  And this is our priority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Let’s not forget the fact that they have been brainwashed to support the Iraq War. Imagine what will happen to China if China has that kind of democracy?</p>
<p>The Americans can afford being brainwashed into the Iraq War. They are so rich. They don&#8217;t spare a thought for the poor peoples of the world. When they count the casualty of the war, they always forget to count the number of Iraqis who have been killed, injured, forced to leave their homeland, etc.  American lives have more market value than Iraqi lives. Iraelist lives are more precious than Palestinian lives. Palestinians do not deserve life support. Israel do. Irael is justified to have the Bomb, and certainly that means Israel is justified to use the Bomb.  But not Iran.  Not North Korea.   Of course, banish the thought that Palestinian can have the Bomb for self-defense.</p>
<p>The Americans can afford being brainwashed into the Iraq War. They are so rich. So they thought.  Maybe the financial crisis today is the answer for the pride of their nation. God has to make them suffer, so that they can understand the sufferings, and priority of poor peoples of the world.  Not human rights. Chinese people were still worrying about food and shelter 15 &#8211; 20 years ago.  Those sicken Americans (and Taiwanese and Hongkongites) want the Chinese people to worry about human rights and voting rights. They are real sick, sicken people. </p>
<p>Chinese people can be assured that most Singaporeans will support you on the priority of human needs.  Because we know, our prosperity is very very fragile. We are expecting a recession to the magnitude of -5 to -8 per cent.  And this is our priority.</p>
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